Three reasons the left hated Jesse Helms

While I never hated him, I did dislike him a lot.

I am from North Carolina. During my years as a practicing homosexual I lived a great deal of the time in Raleigh, NC and I disliked Helms because of his stance against the homosexual community. In my opinion, he took a stance that was crossing the line. He blamed the gay community for HIV, he wanted them all to be put on an island, he cut funding for AIDs research because it was a "gay disease".

Still to this day, even though I am not longer in that lifestyle, when someone submits such a blanket statement I will dislike that statement, and when someone makes a life of such statements I will end up disliking that person.

In my opinion, he was nothing more than a paid bigot.

Jamie

 

As I pointed out on the 9/11 thread anyone who is anti communist is hated by the left. The other two items were just like icing on the cake.

 

Blanket statements like this one are not ........... ahhhhhhhhhh, hmmmmmmmmmmmm, rational. :laugh:

 

In his last year as a Senator, but what did that do for the many people with AIDs? When AIDs first came out, it was the "gay disease" so many people didn't want to fund a cure.. I guess it only ranks as a good reason to spend research money when it's "your" kind. I don't have cancer, does that mena I shouldnt support cancer research? See where I am going with this?

You are correct, because I don't blame the gay community. They didn't help, but I can't say it was their fault either. Truth is, no one knows where it came from.

Not sure what you meant by felt worse about the Old Testament.. As far as money being spent, it's always better to spend on prevention, you get better results, but that shouldn't stop one from trying to cure it too.

Of course screening will prevent it from spreading, same as it stops a lot of other STD's. Also, speaking of Ryan White.. When you blanket state that this disease is a 'gay' disease like Helms did SO many times, then the "Ryan Whites" will get hit in the cross fire everytime.

 

I liked Jesse Helms for his support of states rights and his pro-American stances. There is one thing that always puzzled me about him though, and even bothered me at the time. Do you all remember towards the end of his career, how he cozied up to Clinton's Secretary of State, Madalin Albright? That made no sense to me, as they were 180 out on most issues. Does anyoen have an explanation for that?

 

Did he follow Jerry Falwell too?

 

I don't doubt your source, of that Koop said it. What I do question and will have to research is, in 1988 AIDs was still something new. Even if what Koop said was true, which I don't doubt, you can't label a disease by the people it started with. Do you, or anyone else do that for every other diease? If not, why? If so, name a few off the top of your head.

We agree in that the gay community could have and should have done MORE to stop this and prevent it. I agree that there were, are ignorant people out there, but that still doesn't make is a gay diease. Makes them relible for helping spread it, but not their diease.

I guess I just don't like balnket statements like it's a "gay thing"... people have used that aganist me most of my life and I never liked it. Now that I have "grown" up if you will, and come to know the Lord, I feel I can reach people in the gay community, but how many people do you think I could reach if I just picked up the labels and started slinging them around? Labels did nothing but make me a stronger gay supporter when I lived that lifestyle and they never really help change anyone.

Helms did more damage then good in my opinion when it comes to overcoming the problem. His label cause many to follow his example and in the end, work won't done to stop/prevent this diease in a timely manner.

It's really hard for me to put into words what I mean here. I often joke that I am from the South and that's why I don't know English, or how to say things in written form that well, but if I could tell describe what I am feeling, I believe you wuold understand.

Jamie

 

huh? I don't understand the question.

Jamie

 

Helms School of Government at Liberty University

 

The Republican controlled Congress then. Clinton strategically appointed Madeleine Albright as Secretary of State knowing her bewitching feminine charms would be too much for Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Helms to resist.

 

Ok, I agree with those, but I never said that AIDs couldn't be prevented. AIDs like many other diseases can be prevented.

That's one. The difference I see in this, is how many cases of Black Lung do you have in the US? This disease is defined by the location/job of the person, unlike AIDs where you can get it from unprotected sex, blood, and drug use, and several other ways.

This is why you can't label, or shouldn't label it a gay disease. It does nothing to prevent it and in fact probably causes more harm than good because 'budda' now thinks he can have sex with those protiuists because AIDs is a gay diease and he is having sex with a laby, so he should be alright..

I don't want to argue with you on this any more. I didn't like Helms was of 'doing business' and I think he was a bigot. It doesn't matter now, he had passed away and will have to bare his life to Christ and Christ only.

Jamie

 

I think this is the paper you're talking about:

http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/QQ/B/D/P/M/_/qqbdpm.pdf


Also, it is good to disagree without beating each other up.. Everyone has an opinion, and that largely is based on someone's life. My opinion of Helms might have been different if I were not in the gay community for most of my life.

You take care also! Hey, did you see my new tattoo? My break from that lifestyle was what brought about that tattoo. I needed and wanted to take a stand for my new life in Christ, and thought this was be good way to do it.

Jamie