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Tips On use of "Greek Grammer beyond The basics"

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan New Member

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    brushing back up on ole Greek, and decided to get back into this reference book again...

    As of right now, been looking through the Greek NT and my NASV bible, and looking up spefic verses that look "interesting"

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. Van

    Van Well-Known Member

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    There are a great many proof texts where Calvinism claims there take on the verse is consistent with the underlying Greek Grammar. You might look up some of the oft cited verses and see what at least one actual expert says.

    1)Ephesians 2:8-9

    2) John 1:12-13

    3) 2 Thessalonians 2:13
     
  3. The Archangel

    The Archangel Active Member

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    This from one who knows no Greek at all....
     
  4. JesusFan

    JesusFan New Member

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    was taught that MUCH better to NOT know any Greek and be an expert in English Bible than know enough Greek to show that you are "dangerous"!

    Either learn it well, or not at all!
     
  5. The Archangel

    The Archangel Active Member

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    That's a good thought.

    There is one area of being an expert in the English Bible that will be helped by referencing the KJV. The KJV, while by no means perfect in its translations, does tend to keep the Greek grammar. This is due to the fact that English still had cases 400 years ago.

    So, in the King's English, the singular "you" is distinguished from the plural "you" by using, if memory serves, "thou" and "ye," respectively.

    But, to be honest, Greek (or Hebrew for that matter) are not just classes one takes to earn an M.Div. Greek (and, again, Hebrew) are life-long pursuits.

    Greek and Hebrew are tools we use to find the author's main point so that we don't misunderstand what the Author means to say.

    Blessings,

    The Archangel
     
  6. JesusFan

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    When one gets older , tends to get rusty and forgetting all those pesky rules for Greek syntex and grammer!

    that is why software that we did not have in the "olden days" like Bibleworks/accordance/Logos real Godsend!

    Still have the ole16 bit Gramcord software cut my 'teeth" on so to speak!
     
  7. Greektim

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    Here's what I did w/ my GGBB... I put tabs in all the major sections so I could reference it much quicker. It saves a lot of time not having to thumb through to find pronouns, participles, and etc...

    Also... I highly recommend just reading it through as you would if you were in a Greek 3 class (it is after all only an intermediate grammar). And don't skip the first part. Wallace's grammar is a treasure. Using as a source is good, but you will learn a lot more by just reading through it. Plus... it is a quick read. You'll get through a 400 pg book in a short time and feel good about it.

    Use a highlighter and take notes. When something sticks out to you, highlight it so you can refer back to it.

    Wallace cites many articles and books that will be helpful. If you have access to ATLA or something like that, make use of it and read some articles too. Wallace's article on the double accusative object-complement was really good. He touches in the grammar but the article is more extensive.

    Lastly, follow up with BDF... many still consider it to be the standard grammar.
     
  8. JesusFan

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    Thanks!

    can't find my copy of BDF, but still use the ole AT Robertson "big greek grammer" dated but still useful to supplement wallace!
     
  9. The Archangel

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    A good friend of mine just gave me his old copy of the BDF. He's going all electronic and, gratefully, I am the beneficiary of his purging of his book shelves.

    This resource was not required in my initial Greek studies--it was recommended, of course--but I am now greatly enjoying reading through it.

    There are places where the BDF takes great pains to show the difference between Classical Greek and Koine. This, obviously, is a huge help--since many still try to apply Classical thinking and rules to Koine, skewing proper exegesis.

    It's interesting how the "old" books like BDF, BDAG (and its previous incarnations), and Robertson's Grammar are still considered the standard texts. Having said that, I am thankful for Wallace's Grammar (and Mounce) and the new crop of Greek scholars to make learning Greek and continuing with Greek so much easier (and fun!). By the way, this includes, in my estimation, David Alan Black who is very winsome in his books.

    Blessings,

    The Archangel
     
  10. JesusFan

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    Yes, remember "old school" learning to use the Moulten/Geden greek concordance, and new englishman greek concordance!

    really liked it when Zondervan came out with their greek to english concordance, and their reverse interlinear, making it easier to use Greek in daily studies!


    Also using the Net Bible more, as their textual notes do have some "hidden gems" in there!
     
  11. Greektim

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    Dr. Black is awesome!!! I would recommend using all of his materials.
     
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