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To avoid the subject of sin is Eternally Fatal Heresy.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Alan Gross, Feb 6, 2021.

  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    "Universal Atonement' and 'Easy-Believism' were similar to the conditions and circumstances of Adam, in The Garden of Eden. When did we 'get back to The Garden"? At Woodstock? Individual souls, today, are NOT sinless, in a Period of Probation, as Adam was.

    There is no Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, and one of Life, in order for these Individuals to 'choose' from'. Jesus didn't Die and Re-Create "The Garden of Eden", for everyone (all).

    "All" people are in No State or Constitution of soul, to behave as if there is no PERSONAL GUILT of SIN that they have, which God HATES and Must Be Dealt With.

    The Individual who imagines that they were in The Garden of Eden and just happen to have been magnificent enough to partake of The Tree of Life when they heard something about 'going to Heaven', do not have a Bible Testimony of a Salvation Experience.

    They fight for false heresies, all day, but their "WILL", is in a situation where Jesus Christ Said,

    "you WILL NOT come to Me that you might have Life".

    Meanwhile, God The father Has a Will that they will also fight to their death:

    "This is The Will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up at the last day." John 6:39

    In "The Bible Story" cartoon books for children, by Author S. Maxwell, he spends the first 80 pages leading up to Adam and Eve "being good", or not.

    Is that where people are that demand that Jesus Died for every Human when there is NO JESUS of The KIND in EXISTENCE?

    Did they read a cartoon book?

    Saved children have The Holy Spirit of God which Teaches them The Bible.

    The Bible is different than a cartoon of the imagination of the flesh of men's hearts, which is only evil continually.

    This second ACCURSED false Gospel, IS AUTOUNDINGLY MORE WICKED THAN WE HAVE ASSUME. IT IS LEAVING PEOPLE LOST AND nothing can defend a non-existent Jesus that has simply been made up in the minds of sin-cursed carnal men and women.

    Oral Roberts said a 700 foot tall Jesus was going to kill him if he didn't collect more money.

    That Jesus doesn't exist, either. And doesn't Save.

    Mankind is NOT in The Garden of Eden.

    Mankind is in SIN.

    To avoid the subject of sin is Eternally Fatal Heresy.

    Show me where an "intellectual believe-ism", truster, faith, chooser, decider DEALS WITH THE REALIZATION of THE CORRUPTION of SIN in THEIR PERSONAL ACTIONS & THOUGHTS that Places them PERSONALLY Condemned, already, Before a God Who Hates sin.

    THEY SAY THEY ARE AN "intellectual believe-ism", truster, faith, chooser, decider that PICKS "The Tree of Everlasting Life", but they WILL NOT Come to Jesus to Teach them REALIZATION of THE CORRUPTION of SIN in THEIR PERSONAL ACTIONS & THOUGHTS that Places them PERSONALLY Condemned, already, Before a God Who Hates sin.

    God No Longer Offers Salvation through AN "intellectual believe-ism", truster, faith, chooser, decider that PICKS The Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

    No one has ever been saved by an "intellectual believe-ism", truster, faith, chooser, decider METHOD that PICKS a FALSE GOSPEL that DOES NOT EXIST or SAVE ANYONE.

    Jesus CAME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH was lost.

    The well has no need of a physician, but the sick.

    Only with A CONVICTION and REALIZATION of THE CORRUPTION of SIN in THEIR PERSONAL ACTIONS & THOUGHTS that Places them PERSONALLY Condemned, already, Before a God Who Hates sin WILL GOD DRAW HIS CHILDREN THROUGH THE WORD and HIS HOLY SPIRT to REPENTANCE of THAT VERY HORRIFIC SIN-STATE.

    God Must Grant Conviction of The Sin-Cursed Total Depravity of the lost sinner for them to know they are lost and totally deprived of any strength, ability, or 'will' of their own, AS GOD SAYS. "It is NOT of him that wills". They are lost.

    The lost soul, cognizant of their sin-cursed condemnation may then be Granted Repetnace OF THAT HORRIBLE, HELL-DESERVING SIN of THEIRS, PERSONALLY,

    THEN: The Twin Doctrine of Repentance and Fath CAN BE SEEN:

    GOD GIVES HIS CHILDREN Faith in Jesus Christ Who SUFFERED their Personal sins as God Had Planned from Eternity Past and GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE FOR.

    Sin must be dealt with and those in The virtual Garden of Eden ASSUME CHRIST DIED FOR ALL, WHEN HE NEVER SAYS HE DID, and HE DID NOT. That is a false Gospel, which leaves souls ACCURSED.

    Jesus Died for all kinds of souls.

    Not all.

    And He did not re-create Innocence in the souls of all Humans and give them a choice of TWO TREES in The Garden of Eden.

    Trusting that Jesus re-creates Innocence in the souls of all Humans and give them a choice of TWO TREES in The Garden of Eden if believed in and TRUSTED with the whole soul, for 'Salvation', and fighting for it to your death, AGAINST THE ETERNAL BIBLICAL TRUTHS of THE DOCTRINES of GRACE, is Eternally Fatal.
     
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    Did The Garden of Eden remain, after Adam's sin, and all individual souls are on the same Probation, in which time they may partake of The Tree of Good and Evil, or The Tree of Life?

    "So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." Genesis 3:24.

    Were/are the Cherubims just there, with a flaming sword, for Adam and Eve?

    Is this all Jesus Did? Was just re-create The Garden of Eden?

    Jesus Came to Earth, Was Given a Body, Lived Perfectly, and Died, was Buried, and Rose Again to set up The Garden of Eden?

    People are innocent little sinless babes from the womb and, simply, "make a choice"( in what/ for what?), "believe" ( in what/ for what?), "have faith ( in what/ for what?)".

    The Teaching of The Bible is that all souls PICK Eternal Salvation or Damnation in Hell like they PICK TOMATOES?

    No sin to deal with?

    Everyone's FREE to WILL that they may partake of The Tree of Good and Evil, or The Tree of Life?

    Is this all that is taught by most of "Christianity", today?

    "Smile, America, God Loves You".

    ...

    God Hates sin so much He had His Eternal Son Crucified.

    The Life of the flesh is in the Blood.

    Are people ever taught that they must Repent and Trust, by Faith, that Jesus Died, was Buried, and Rose Again, for THEIR sin?

    ...

    Or is it, "Repeat after me and PICK a TREE?"
     
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    Most of ,if not all of your quotes are off target . Gentiles were never ' lost ' . Jesus earthly ministry was to Israel . Why are you using those verses ? When you say 'universal atonement ' as a calvinist you will always stumble in this area and in the area of 'easy believism ' . If i believed the doctrines of T.ULIP i too would not understand the bible on the atonement or how it is appropriated. Until you take the glasses off you will argue against the false dichotomy endlessly . Calvinsts arguments work best against its equally false theological system of Arminianism and that's about it .
     
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    Share with us, You're Salvation Experience.

    How did God Save you?

    Has Jesus Saved you, yet?

    Do you have The Holy Spirit, to Decern The Bible, Spiritually?

    What happened the day you were 'Saved'.

    Do you ever 'pray' and ask God to 'forgive you' of your sin?

    Why would He?

    Is your concept of, 'Atonement', accomplishing the placement of all souls into a New Garden of Eden, wherein, they are offered one of two Trees?

    By, 'appropriated', is that where they, just as Adam and Eve, choose, or select, or pick, believe, have Faith in, 'decide', which of The Two Trees in The Garden they would settle on selecting, for the Destination of their Eternal Soul?
     
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