To Be or Not to Be

The Holy Spirit revealing truth to my heart?! Let me quote a frequent BB poster with the initials HP: "Give me scripture". :thumbs:

HP: If you are honestly that ignorant of the concept of morality and moral law, I do not believe any explanation I would give would help. What is your point?

Or you don't want ot attempt to. The breakdown of law into "moral, civil, and ceremonial" is man made and you know it. That was my point.

Now concerning the law of sin and death and Ezek. 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

"Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Rom. 6:9-10 :jesus:
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2 :jesus:
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom. 6:23:jesus:

 

By the way HP, Paul already answered your next question:
:jesus:
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into :jesus: were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. :jesus:

 

:godisgood: "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins" Col. 1:13-14

"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel" Col. 1:21-23 :godisgood:

 

This is the second time you referenced Eze 18:26 as evidence that a man can be born-again and then sin and be condemned to hell. The first time was in the "Are you saving Yourself" thread and there it was shown to you the proper and correct application of this passage.

And even though you have been shown your misuse of this passage you have ignored the reprove and go on to reference it yet another day. This shows that you are dug into your views no matter what another brother or sister in Christ says to you.

Here is what was shown unto you in the "Are you saving Yourself" thread for the second time....

Here are the unanswered questions given you.....

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

HP, I'm curious. What denomination are you? I have not been able to indentify it by your posts.

 

Do you attend a church?

 

I think He meant "their righteousness". But their righteousness will never equal that of God's. It will always fall short. Therefore in order to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, we must depend on the righteousness of Christ. We have His righteousness when we put our faith in Him.

 

Perhaps, but no in contradiction to it.

It is man-made because you will not find Moses saying "Please refer to Moral Code, Section IX, Number 12. To the Jews the Law was the Law. Out of doctrinal concerns people have disected the Law into sections to support their positions.

The schoolmaster brought us to Christ and the Comforter. It did not bring us into an "Age of Enlightenment". This term is used to describe the time of history which advocated reason as the primary basis of authority. I know you are not equating the two, but you are treading very closely to it.

I am merely saying that our attempts at dissecting the law into sections is not what Paul had in mind. The law still stands today as a schoolmaster to the Jews and any other poor sap that is trying to gain God's favor by obeying it. I am dead to the Law, not the Civil or Ceremonial only. The Law in it's written form to the Jews is not what guides me nor do I need to go through the Law with a fine toothed comb and figure out which ones are for today and which ones are done away with.

We do not use our "reasoning capabilites" to guide us into living out righteousness. It is when "walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" that we are able to "be transformed by the renewing of our mind". Reasoning things out will only lead us into trouble.

Rom. 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. "

 

If this is true, then you are wasting your time.

Take this from someone who is not a "member" of a church in man's eyes because I have not signed on like I am supposed to. But, I am a member nonetheless. :thumbs:

"Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead" Gal.1:1


So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Romans 12:5

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Eph. 4:25

That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. I Cor. 12:25

 

Their own. Correct?

Here are your own words....HP;No man is saved on the account of his own righteousness. The grounds of salvation is the mercy of God period.

So why do you continue to reference scripture which speaks of a man's own righteousnesses in an attempt to illustrate that his own righteousnesses is needed for salvation?

Which way is it? You have made statements in favor of both ways.

God bless! :thumbs:

 

God bless you for you have studied and have rightly divided the word of truth. :thumbs:

 

Regarding Matthew 5:20, and the whole sermon on the mount for that matter, Christ was pointing out the Pharisees' inability to be righteous by being good on their own.

In the previous few verses he was establishing the law in the sense of it being a schoolmaster as revealed through Paul in Galations.

This is why he goes on with the examples out of the law and the raising of the bar beyond the letter. The Pharisees had been keeping the letter of the law, but their hearts were still impure. And as Amy pointed out, our only hope is Christ's righteousness.

The Solid Rock

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly trust in Jesus’ Name.

Refrain

On Christ the solid Rock I stand,
All other ground is sinking sand;
All other ground is sinking sand.

When darkness seems to hide His face,
I rest on His unchanging grace.
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.

Refrain

His oath, His covenant, His blood,
Support me in the whelming flood.
When all around my soul gives way,
He then is all my Hope and Stay.

Refrain

When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh may I then in Him be found.
Dressed in His righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.

Refrain

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/m/y/myhopeis.htm

 

Amen!

I often wonder what hymns and praise songs those who believe in their own works saving them have to sing?! All of the songs I ever heard played in praise and worship give all the glory to Jesus Christ and His work. Has anyone ever written a hymn giving man some credit for his work?

Do you know any good praise us songs HP?

God Bless! :thumbs: