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Top U.S. Socialist Says Barack Obama is Not One of Them

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by FR7 Baptist, Jan 2, 2010.

  1. billwald

    billwald New Member

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    Communism appears to be a sub set of socialism.

    from google:

    Definitions of communism on the Web:

    a form of socialism that abolishes private ownership
    a political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society
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    Criticisms of communism can be divided in two broad categories: Those concerning themselves with the practical aspects of 20th century Communist states and those concerning themselves with communist principles and theory. Although they often overlap, these two categories are logically distinct. ...

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_(criticism)
    Communism (from communis = "common") is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    Any political philosophy or ideology advocating holding the production of resources collectively; Any political social system that implements a ...
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/communism

    The ideology of political parties that use the term Communist in their names, usually Marxist and Leninist; The socio-economic system based on such parties' ideologies; A state of affairs perceived as oppressive, overly arbitrary, or totalitarian
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Communism

    communist - a member of the communist party
    communist - a socialist who advocates communism
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    communistically - In a communistic manner
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    communistic - Characteristic of communism
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    communist - An advocate of a society based on the common ownership of property; A revolutionary or subversive radical; Of, relating to, supporting, or ...

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    A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
    www.taigacats.info/definitions.htm

    A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
    homepages.vvm.com/~stevei/politics/Glossary.htm

    An economic system and theory of government in which all basic and non-basic industries are owned by a central government for the benefit of all citizens.
    mrkersey.org/students/geo_terms_definitions.php

    An economic system in which capital is owned by government. Contrasts with capitalism.
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    Web definitions for socialism
    a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
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    Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Socialism is not a concrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and programme; its branches ... A dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split between ...
    Origins - First International - Second International
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    socialism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and ...
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    Socialism Definition | Definition of Socialism at Dictionary.com
    1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, ...
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    socialism - definition of socialism by the Free Online Dictionary ...
    so·cial·ism (s sh -l z m). n. 1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned ...
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    Definition of Socialism. Socialism. A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and ...www.brainyquote.com/words/so/socialism221254.html - Cached - Similar

    Socialism -- A Definition of Socialism
    Definition: Socialism is a political term applied to an economic system in which property is held in common and not individually, and relationships are ...
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    Socialism in America- Definition of Socialism and Socialists in ...
    At a recent dinner I had an interesting conversation with an American schoolteacher about economics and politics and eventually discovered that she was a.
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    noun. any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than ...
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    socialism - definition of socialism - Economic system which is based on cooperation rather than competition and which utilizes centralized planning and ...
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  2. billwald

    billwald New Member

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    Best description of the last 30 years??

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    Definitions of fascism on the Web:

    a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
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    Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. The term neo-fascist may apply to groups that express a specific admiration for Benito Mussolini and Italian fascism or any other fascist leader/state. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(United_States)

    Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology. ...
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    A political regime, usually totalitarian, ideologically based on centralized government, government control of business, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. ...
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism

    fascist - an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views
    fascist - relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda"
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    "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)

    www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/terms.html
    A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms. ...
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    A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.
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    a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, together with an ideology of belligerent ...
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  3. Dragoon68

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    The best definition of socialism and communism is a political system that has proven to fail in all its stated goals and results in less individual freedom, more oppression, and greater poverty for its citizens. With all the examples in recent history that should be clear to us. We should never even have the faintest desire to incorporate any of it's ideals.
     
  4. Magnetic Poles

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    To say that all communism is socialism, therefore all socialism is communism is a logical fallacy. It is like saying all dogs are animals, therefore all animals are dogs.

    There are also varying degrees of socialized services. For example, I would not equate Swedish socialism, or say the Canadian healthcare system with the communism of the old U.S.S.R.
     
  5. Dragoon68

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    No it's like saying both communism and socialism are bad dogs that bite really hard.
     
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    Using the old USSR as a model for what communism is is to fail to see that communism is expressed in very different ways from that time period.
     
  7. billwald

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    Isn't the so-called "biblical" family structure fascist/communist/socialist? The oldest male is the dictator and has life and death power over the Children? What sort of family/tribal government did Abraham's family have?
     
  8. Dragoon68

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    No, the Biblical family structure is not fascist, communist, or socialist - it is Christian - and, no, the father or husband is not to be a "dictator" - he is to be a leader with both authority and responsibility and he is accountable to God for what he does and does not do.

    No, civil government is entirely different than the family. Civil government is ordained by God - as are all things - but, for God's people, it didn't really come into play until the people asked Him for a King and he reluctantly gave them Saul. That happened long after Abraham's time. Moses told the people of Israel that they would do this when they settled in the promise land and, sure enough, that's what they did.
     
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