Total Depravity = Hardening?

That was always my argument & proof text against Limited Atonement. But then why do not all men get saved?

 

As far as the text is concerned (in John 10) it fits in well with:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved,
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shalt be saved.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43)
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)

and many, many others.

 

Thats not my systematic theology however

 

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Some "men" are simply "vicious hardened" so that they will simply refuse to respond to any revelation they may be granted.

Some "men" are too grounded in the "natural" realm and will simply not believe in or accept that which they cannot experience in a real a tactile manner.

Just my thoughts EWF

 

JESUS DID NOT COME MERELY TO MAKE SALVATION POSSIBLE , BUT ACTUALLY TO SAVE PEOPLE. ( SORRY caps on) He did not come to make redemption possible; he died to redeem his people. He did come to make propitiation possible, He turned aside God's wrath for each of His elect people forever. He did not come to make reconciliation between God & man possible; he actually reconciled to God those whom the father had given him. he did not come merely to make atonement for sins possible, but actually to atone for sinners.

John 6:38-39
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of Him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

 

Amen! Preach it, brother! :thumbsup:

 

Nicely said. I made some small corrections.

 

And yet in contradiction to that statement the Bible clearly says:

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)

 

If the Lord propitiated the sins of every single individual,past,present and future --no wrath abides on them. Hence all are saved -- i.e. Universalism. That's not biblical to say the least.

 

Is that your belief? I never stated that. I simply quoted a verse of Scripture that was in contradiction to what EWF had posted. If you have problems with Scripture take it up with God, not me.

 

I'm not a humanist. I'm a born again Christian who has the Holy Spirit who dwells inside of me. How do I know it's the Holy Spirit that teaches me. I hope you know the answer to that question already. I know Him personally. All those who have submitted to His righteousness Romans 10:1-4 know Him personally. That's how. There isn't one man on earth I would trust my Salvation to.
MB

 

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One thing is for certain. There are those that post on here that never cease to amaze me. Priceless.

 

There are 2 or 3 Pelagian's that post on here.

 

This is a lie.

 

So you say, but that only proves that you disagree with my assessment of the erroneous doctrine of Calvinism.

 

It's my belief that you think that the Lord propitiated the Father's wrath for each and every person who has and shall live. If that is indeed what you think then you have to deal with the idea that even people in perdition now and in the future had the removal of Divine wrath --only to receive Divine wrath for eternity in Hell. That would be injustice in the extreme.

In 1 John 2:2 John is saying that Christ is not only the propitiation for His own among the Jewish nation but for His children scattered around the world --not each and every person head-for-head. See John 11:51 and 52 for a proper understanding of 1 John 2:2 -- the very same author is speaking.

You would like John 2:2 to read :"He Himself is the proptiation for everyone,everywhere at all times." But,that's not a proper reading of the doctrine.

 

Robert,

To disagree what Scripture says in a passage, is one thing. This we will need live with. But to make up lies is something else.

YOU SAID..

That is a lie. Why would you say something like this?


YOU SAID...

This too is a lie. You have been told this is wrong before, but it matters not, becaue you still lie about it. We agree with many men of the past, not because they said it, but because they read Scripture and see the same thing we do. If I know you liked basketball and I talked basketball with you and we happened to like the same team, does not mean I follow you and worship you. The love is Basketball. The truth is Scripture.

Please stop saying lies like this.

YOU ADD..

That is a Lie. There are many things I disagree with that Calvin said.


YOU SAID..

This too is a big fat lie. We don't think Calvin is higher than Scripture.

YOU SAID...

That is a Lie. Now I know you meant this toward Calvinist, but the fact is, many other groups read the same Bible and disagree with you. Most of these other groups you and I would agree on as being wrong. But they use the same Bible.

YOU SAID..

That is a lie. Calvinism is pure Bible. Now I understand you read some passage in other ways. But this does not mean Calvinist go OUTSIDE Scripture, now does it?

 

Is there no ending to the twisting you Calvinists do to justify your error?

Jesus paid price for all who will trust in Him. His blood has the ability to forgive all sin everywhere, but for this to occur, a person must accept this forgiveness. If they reject this payment, they must pay the price their selves.