Trail of Blood

Of course, "we Baptists" today are all unified in doctrine and beliefs... right???:BangHead:

I can drive within a one mile circle of our conservative Missionary Baptist church building and find several church buildings with signs that include the word "Baptist", yet how many of them are really of "like faith"? Some may be very close, but others would be considered heretics by many Baptists. Yet they call themselves "Baptist". Add to this fact is that a growing trend in Baptist churches is to just drop the word baptist from their name altogether - though many still have solid doctrinal teachings.

Throughout history, I firmly believe there have been "baptists" in faith and doctrine - though going by a variety of names. There have been others who have had very much baptistic beliefs, yet distanced themselves from association with the name.

To find a literal direct line from today's Baptist churches all the way back to the first century would be essentially impossible, even if such records existed. But thanks to incredible persecution, including by the dominant established "church" at the time as well as other causes - such records do not exist.

 

One of my favourite portions of the Martyrs Mirror is when the Thessalonian Christians came to examine the Ana-Baptist in Europe.

The Thessalonians had this testimony of themselves:

Having examined the Ana-Baptist they found them to be of the same faith as themselves. The Thessalonians where also know as Ana-Baptists.

I find in intriguing that they had the letters of Paul, written in his own hands.

 

Some of the bloggers on that page seem to think that a political event was going on and the Baptists wished to steer clear of the label "ana Baptist" as a result. Kinda like I want to steer clear of the "Baptists" that were kidnapping Haitian children with good intentions, but without any knowledge or insight. They make us all look dumb.

 

Salty...

The link in your post does not appear to work.

Here is another link to an online version of J.M. Carroll's Trail of Blood. At the bottom of the webpage is the contact information for ordering Trail of Blood from Ashland Avenue Baptist Church, Lexington, KY, who holds the copyright since 1931.

...Bob

EDIT
I just scanned the thread titles in Baptist History forum. Lots of threads on Trail of Blood!!!

 

Jim...

This is what I believe also. Baptists are not protestants. Except I see the origin in both Wales and the Scottish Highlands, both pockets away from the Romans, Vikings, and such. I also think the first century Celtic Christians are involved in some way. And the real history is hidden deep in the weave of the fabric, preserved, yet hidden among the Independent Baptists, Old Regular Baptists, and United Baptists in this country. Not the formalized Baptist Conventions, which have other agendas than preservation. Some things you just know, and you also know it will not do to argue the points.

Some people approach history with dates and trends and biographies. Others approach history smelling their way, knowing such and such is true, while this and that is not true. You either get it or you don't.

It wasn't until my wife and I got serious about our own family histories . . . finding our roots and a sweetness that cannot be explained. It can be smelled and experienced--but not explained. You sit on a front porch with a relative you never knew you had and you don't say a word but you know you are blood kin and when the sun sets you get up, hug, and go back up or down your individual pathways, knowing you both have connected and gained something far greater than words, dates, money, artifacts or theories. You just know, and it is the greatest feeling in this world, and you know you will be with more kin in the next world. You either get it or you don't.

I get it.

...Bob

 

I recently bought several copies of Trail of Blood to give away. I found it very good reading. I very much enjoy church history. I also bought G. H. Orchard's History of Baptists which was one of J. M. Carroll's sources another piece of very good reading.

I am an Old Regular Baptist and I am proud of our heritage. I think that it is so important for us as Baptist people to understand our heritage and the principles on which we were established.

 

Apparently you enjoy fiction as well.

 

Zenas...

Take your disrespect some place else.

YOU ARE BLOCKED!

...Bob

 

But when you pass out information that has been proven to be false, then you are guilty of passing on lies. I'm glad you are proud of your heritage, as am I. But when heritage trumps truth, I choose to choose truth.

The Trail of Blood is a work of fiction, based on faulty reasoning.

If you pass these along, after being shown it's fiction, you are guilty of lying.

As a pastor, I see people putting tradition over biblical truth all the time..
I have some who believe what Grandma says, because she was such a godly woman, even though it contradicts the Bible. Grandma only had 3rd grade education, and when she would read the Bible, she would skip the big words. But because she lived a good godly life, her interpretation out weighs the scholars of today. HOGWASH...

And then I point out that they are putting tradition over the Bible, and they get mad at me, and choose to continue in false doctrine.

This book has been proven to be false in some places.. why do you continue to spread lies?

 

I have been accused of lying. I will make one more post in General discussion and then I am through

 

What exactly has been proven to be false, Tim?

 

No one is pushing the trail of blood down anyone's throat. If you don't want to believe the history we believe, that is your privilege.

Certainly there are questions in a lot of historical accounts, but we don't write off all of history.

Work on your own life and never mind labeling us liars because we choose to believe some shadows of history.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Re: Falsehoods in Trail of Blood.

The major discrepancy I am aware of is the quotation from a Cardinal Hosius which does not exist in the reference given in the book. There is also a discrepancy in the dates given for the Hosius reference.

This discrepancy has been cleared up by Dr. Ben Townsend. See: drbentownsend.com/documents/hosius.

Apparently a similar quotation of Hosius is found Liber Epistolarum 150.

B. Carroll did not check his source documents.

Most of his conclusions are still quite correct.

The Lord has preserved His Bride in every generation--through much apostasy and attacks by the god this world.

True Baptists are not of the Protestant Reformation.

God is faithful even when we are not.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

What does the Bible have to do with a concept of Baptist history? Do you believe what every historian writes about Baptists? I don't. Too many things I find in historian writings have a slant. I guess all historians are liars and every book out there is filled with lies. I don't even own a copy of Trail of Blood, but I totally disagree with this attitude.

 

Some book; some pastor, I would say.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Let me apologize. I was overboard. If you all choose to believe the TOB.. be my guests.. but I won't. Not after learning true church history from orthodox sources.