Trend Toward Head Coverings for Women, 1 Cor 11.5

You mean like the Biblical Teaching: "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 18:18)

How much do you know about Hermes Trismegistus?

The Bible also teaches the stoning of law-breakers and we've managed to overcome such things. I believe in the equality of every soul created in the image of God, male or female. To articulate a view of male dominance ultimately denies this equality. I have a problem with that.

Peace and God Bless.

 

As for widows we have an example in Acts 6 where the church cared for the widows. The apostles were doing all the work and couldn't handle it. They then appinted seven Godly men to supervise that work. The church took care of it. Therefore they would submit to the authority of the church (ultimately the pastor), who is subject to Christ, as the passage teaches.
Historically, and I believe Biblically, this is only the case when the widow has no other place to go. Remeber this was a time of great persecution. The responsibility of elderly parents falls on the children--the extended family. When a "widow" often an elderly parent who has lost his or her spouse can no longer cope it is the responsibility of the family first and foremost to take care of their own. In a Biblical pattern the onus usually fell on the eldest son, but this need not to be so. The family needs to come together and take care of their parents in their old age--not just throw them into a nursing home and forget about them--but take care of them. Often the elderly in this age have Alzeimer's or Parkinson's, are confined to a wheel chair, or have many other disabilities that encumber their ability to fully take care of themselves. The headship of the home is then transferred to the son, who is taking care of his elderly father and/or mother. The elderly father/mother has become a dependent of the son. Then the widow shows her submission by wearing a head covering. Though extended families are not so common here, they are very common in eastern countries.

History tells an interesting story. I can remember 40-45 years ago (I know many here can't ), that in every church I ever attended women wore hats or head coverings. Without exception that was the "rule," or custom. I would dare guess that if you researched it out that would have been the custom from that period right back to the time of Christ.

What changed? During WWII many things changed. Women were needed to work in factories, even steel mills because workers were short. Women even joined the armed forces. I know, for my mother was in the airforce. She was in communications typing out morse code.
When the war ended attitudes had changed. Many men never returned leaving women with children and no means of support, but they did have a taste of working outside the home--something unheard of before the war.
Others now had "careers," and even when their husbands did return they didn't want to give them up. All of this began to lead to women's suffrage, women's liberation, and eventually the feminist movement and unisex. It was the moral downfall of America. Before that time you would have never seen a woman in slacks. That was men's apparel. Before that time women always stayed at home with the children and raised them on their own. It was their duty to do so. The man was the wage urner. If he didn't provide for his own he was worse than an infidel.
It was churches that helped out those in need not the government's social secutiy net. No one had locks on their doors. People didn't have to live in constant fear of rapists and other violence. Children could roam the outdoors, the woods, rocks, rivers, and hills freely. Now they are places of danger.

After WWII things changed drastically. It centered around the home. The home began to fall apart. Careers for women. Equality demanded. The feminist movement began. Modesty was done away with. Head coverings were discarded. And so on, until we come to the depraved society in which we live in today.

Before people harp on equality consider that it was God that set the rules right from the garden of Eden.
It was God that put the curse on Eve which has continued to this day--that she shall bear children in pain, and that she should be subservient to her husband. That has never changed. God has never rescinded that.

Man was to toil by the sweat of his brow. He was to provide for his family and be the head of the woman. Read Genesis 3 and find these principles out for yourselves. This is God's order right from The Fall. They have never changed.

They were the same order given again in the Law at Mount Sinai.
They were reiterated again by Paul in 1Cor.11:1-16, and in many other passages throughout the NT.

We are one in Christ:
First because we are all sinners.
Second because Christ came and died for all of us--male and female; Jew and Gentile.
Third, because everyone of us who have beleived are saved and are brothers in sisters in Christ. Before God we have equal standing. Before God we can go to him in prayer just as equally as any one else.
Fourth, there is no partiality with God. There is no person in the world that God loves any more than you.

But God is a God of order. He has set order in the universe.
He has set order in the world.
He has set order in government.
He has set order in the church.
And he has set order in the family.

If you reject the order that God has bestowed upon us, then you are rejecting the commands of God, which in effect would be God himself.
DHK

 

DHK,

Such misogyny is as unattractive today as it has ever been and ultimately does great damage to any faith which suggests a egalitarian message of universal salvation.

This is not the Christianity of Jesus Christ.

 

Yeah, women voting is definitely part of the moral downfall of America.

You suggest that women's suffrage came after WWII, but the fact is that the the 19th amendment was ratified in August 1920.

 

So I would guess that the abolision of slavery and the women's liberation movement are both things against the authority of God to many of you?

This is absurd.

And this should be a pretext for slavery and the subjugation of women?

Again this kind of rationalization of worldly authority is absurd.

So do you believe the same woman who raised a boy to be a man is all of a sudden somehow incapable of giving sound instruction?

Again this is absurd.

The letter of the law 'kills' but the spirit of the law 'heals'. focus on the 'spirit' of the law.

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. - John 17:23

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. - Matthew 22:30

Angels are spirit and have either male or female.

God does not will that any be under the yoke of another but free from the Old Law under His Grace.

 

I am not arguing that we have the same 'roles' but that we as individuals are equal and should be treated with the same diginity without oppression or subjugation.

Hermes was also a philosopher and much of his philosophy makes it's way into religious thought.

Thanks for the post.

 

I may come back to this later, but I gotta say real fast Scarlett...I don't even know what to say! He has me speechless too, and I agree with him to a degree!

It's how he's presenting it maybe.

It's like this difference in me giving my child a candy bar:

Way one: Hey sweetie! You've been so good and helpful, I really have enjoyed your company! Oh, I stopped by the store and thought of you, here's one of your favorite kinds of candy.

Way two: Here ya go, take this and get out of my face. Try not to wolf it all down at once.

The candy bar remains the same! (and is still good)

But boy, can I really change the way my kid looks at it by how I present it!

 

Uh, sorry to rile you ladies, but DHK is right about many societal ills being related to Rosy the Riveter refusing to go back to the kitchen after WWII. It's been recognized by many sociologists. I remember studying about many years ago in college.

 

And, How many of you were alive before the war to experience these things?

I get a chuckle.

Cheers,

Jim

 

............But Scarlett, I am a man..........I am allowed to chuckle.........and my wife said it is so..........

Cheers,

Jim

 

Thank you, Scarlett..........I think someone told you I marched for women's rights in Toronto some years ago.....:thumbs: How is that for a right-wing-Bible-thumper?

Cheers,

Jim