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Featured Trump too conservative for the modern Church?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Calminian, Feb 23, 2017.

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  1. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
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    The Constitution Party, who had Castle as their candidate (BW stated she voted for Castle), holds as the first of their seven principles that life from conception is sacred.

    She voted for a pro-life candidate. Thus, your accusation is false, and you owe her an apology.

    Of course, you'll come back with some stupidity about how voting for a third-party candidate was a wasted vote, and supported Hillary; but just I've already answered Yeshua, Hillary, Sanders, and Obama all thought that voting third-party was a vote for Trump.

    And since Trump won, guess what? They were right. By taking a vote away from Hillary, BW helped Trump get elected.

    Don't do a knee-jerk response; chew on that thought for a few minutes, take it around the block for a spin.
     
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  2. Baptist Brother

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    If she took away a vote from Mrs. Clinton, that would indicate she normally votes for the Democrat candidate. Much more likely the vote was taken from Trump.

    0.15% of the popular vote when to for Mr. Castle. Maybe it was principled.
     
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    That's a MUCH better counter-argument than I've been seeing. However, the inverse is true as well: by taking a vote away from Trump, one would have to believe she normally votes republican.

    Most likely. Thank you for the stat, because it also shows that the amount of people who voted for the Constitution Party would have made no difference for either Trump or Clinton.
     
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    What is lost in that assumption (Besides the obvious fact I have never hid my party affiliation or who I was going to vote for) is that I was pointing out that Calminan was wrong about Clinton wanting people to vote 3rd party. She did not want that anymore than Trump wanted people to vote 3rd party. That is why both side spent so much time and print arguing that a 3rd party votes is a wasted vote. The reason why I purposefully quoted left wing sites was because Calminian said Clinton wanted me to vote 3rd party, I was showing the error of that comment. Both sides said that my 3rd party vote was a vote for their opponent. . Of course the other problem with the argument is that my vote belongs to me to give to whom I choose, It does not belong to any candidate therefore it is impossible for me to take it from any candidate, all I can do is give it do one. What my vote really was, was a vote for Castle and yes it was principled.
     
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    I voted for Trump because IMO he was the lesser of many evils.

    Psalm 106
    37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
    38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

    HankD
     
  6. Baptist Brother

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    Trump is the lessor of two evils. To say that's a mere opinion is an injustice. It's a fact.

    You know these people who chant "Trump isn't our president"? These same people don't think the "basket of deplorables", the whole conservative population, has any right to any freedoms. And, Mrs. Clinton would be going right along with them. The real threat of tyranny comes from the Left.
     
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    It is an opinion. That is a fact.
     
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    What EXACTLY do you view as the evils that Hillary represented? I could talk for hours about the evils that Trump represented.
     
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    Lying about the true cause of the Benghazi attack.

    Selling influence via the Clinton Foundation.

    Downplaying Bill's sexual escapades while claiming to be a champion for women's rights.

    While Bill was President, selling access to the White House (overnights in Lincoln bedroom)

    Using the IRS to harass conservatives.

    Stealing from the White House when moving out in 2001.



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    The Clintons and Obama have done FAR worse things, when viewed at that the lens of the Bible!
     
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    Yes Trump has done the following evil things:

    Nominated a pro constitution (pro life) Supreme Court Justice (as he promised).
    Talked many companies into staying and building in the US (as he promised).
    Deported many criminal illegal aliens (as promised).
    And he may have actually become a Christian, recently which would be the ultimate evil.

    All of these are evil to left wing proponents. Perhaps you have some other things in mind. Please share.
     
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    Can add to that , supporting gun rights, trying to kill of Obamacare, trying to defund PP, and putting America first once again, and supporting israel again!
     
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    1. This was her statement:

    Hillary Clinton’s statements

    10:08 p.m., Sept. 11, press statement:

    “I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack.

    “Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”

    What lie are you talking about. Here is the NY Times analysis:
    http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=0

    2. Simply not true but what do you think the Congress does every day with lobbyists? The "Trump Foundation" was called by the Attorney general of NY an ongoing fraudulent operation and stopped from operating in the state of NY. Trump doubled the membership fee at his key Largo resort and then had open national security discussions there about N. Korea with the Japanese.

    3. Bill cheated on his wife. I know forgiveness is the Christian thing to do but how supportive would you be for a man who had an affair with your wife?

    4. This was Bill Clinton not Hillary. If your wife killed someone would you go to prison if you had nothing to do with it? here's what happened:

    Clinton, who was asked about the White House sleepovers during a drug control briefing, said that in early 1995, a lot of friends who helped get him elected in 1992 thought he had not kept in touch with them.

    Clinton said then-national campaign fund-raiser Terence McAuliffe sent him a memorandum, suggesting what they ought to do to re-establish contact, and Clinton said he told him to proceed.

    Clinton said he also told an aide he wanted to ask some of his friends to come to the White House and spend the night.

    The documents show that Clinton scribbled his enthusiastic approval for the overnight stays on the McAuliffe memorandum, which recommended that major financial supporters be invited to meals, coffees, rounds of golf or jogging excursions.

    "Yes, pursue all 3 and promptly -- and get other names of the 100,000 or more," Clinton wrote, apparently seeking names of people who had given $100,000 or more to the Democrats.

    Clinton went on: "Ready to start overnights right away -- give me the top 10 list back, along with the 100."

    In the spreading controversy over Democratic campaign fund-raising, the White House documents fueled the criticism that Clinton used overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom to reward big Democratic contributors.

    5.
    According to top ethics lawyers, it’s at least debatable -- and at worst hyperbolic -- to say the Clintons "stole" the items. A congressional investigation found poor tracking of ownership and final disposition of gifts, which makes it hard to speak definitively of wrongdoing. In fact, two items the Clintons returned were ultimately sent back to them. Finally, it’s worth making clear that the "force" they responded to was political pressure, not legal jeopardy.

    Accusations of stealing are serious and require a high threshold of evidence, unmet by the charges in this over-the-top graphic. We rate the claim Mostly False.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/

    The Reagans had issues too

    As an aside, we’ll note that the problem of gifts to the first family was not a new one.

    For instance, the IRS investigated President Ronald Reagan and First Lady Nancy Reagan in 1989. At issue were gowns worth as much as $25,000 and diamond jewelry that had been loaned to Nancy Reagan. A year before, the White House Ethics Office found that the president could accept a $2.5 million home in Bel Air, Calif., purchased on his behalf by undisclosed friends. However, the Reagans ultimately repaid the donors.
     
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    If you think becoming a Christian is the ultimate evil may God be with you. You'[re correct in assuming that he hasn't demonstrated anything that would suggest that he is one yet.
     
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    You missed the conclusion. Cal said:
    He was not speaking of himself.
     
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    You can only hope if the President is a believer. Think he is. But it is about acting like a believer.
     
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    Depends on where they lived.
     
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    Six Hour Warning

    This thread will be closed sometime after 1 AM Pacific.
     
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