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Trump's Orlando Rally

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Jun 17, 2019.

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    LOL, well, I guess linking Koch propaganda is a refreshing change from Soros propaganda but the CATO "study" is garbage - not in the data necessarily but look who "interpreted" that:

    Alex Nowrasteh
    APSA Minority Fellowship Program Spring Applications Due Today – Meet MFP Fellow Michelangelo Landgrave

    LOL, a second-generation "immigrant" and an illegal alien, don't trust THAT. Here's a much better study:

    SHOCK: Report Shows Almost HALF of All Federal Crimes Committed by Non-Citizens in 2018 - Big League Politics

    and then there's Arizona: Illegals commit crimes at double the rate of native-born: Study

    not to mention the identity theft almost every adult commits after unlawful entry. I don't see why it's such a threat to acknowledge if you are capable of one crime, you're capable of a second or third or more. Of course, you know they NEVER commit voter fraud, not even the MS-15 types EVER. The MSM and the DNC have told me the poor downtrodden dears would never do that.
     
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    Actually, it is you who do not uphold the laws of the USA. You talk about no immigration laws in the 19th century and then say the 21st century should not enforce over a century of laws regulating immigration. All you want is more money and total power because you think your way is best for you and nevermind about others. Illegal aliens are criminals under American law but you want money and power and do not want to obey the law.
     
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    What you're saying is we should only let immigrants in who are without sin. Where are you going to find them?
     
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    We need bipartisan immigration reform.
     
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    No, that is not what I am saying and reasonable people will read my post and know that. But what is disturbing is that you belittled the death of Americans with your intentional mischaracterization of my words. The murder of Americans by illegal immigrants means nothing to you. And that is exactly what I suspected.
     
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    The death of Americans relative to those from other countries is considered by most to be far more serious. Every life is precious to God. Yes, 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam but over 1 M Vietnamese died. That's a far worse tragedy for Vietnam than for America especially since we started the war.
     
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    If we can't find any sinless ones, we won't let any in.

    It would really kill the Democrats to pay fair wages and be forced to participate in honest elections not to mention have a costant stream of prostitutes of all ages and both genders.
     
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    We didn't start any war.
     
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    You are delusional. We also invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to start those wars. We then occupied those countries.
     
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    And thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Your position is not Biblikcal but that doesn't matter does it?
     
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    You expose your ignorance. When we went into Iraq we were under a "cease fire". The war began when Suddam invaded a neighboring country unprovoked. We went in in 1991 due to that invasion. That war was not at and end when we went back in under G. Bush. We were only under a legal cease fire. We did not start that war. Suddam did.

    Afghanistan, it was controlled by the Taliban which had taken it over against the people's will. The Taliban in Afghanistan were harboring the men who planned the 911 attack. I have only ever known people to suggest that we started a war there that were supportive of terrorists in some large or small fashion. We already know you care little about the deaths of Americans based on your posts in this thread.
     
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    I agree that the First Gulf War was in response to an attack on an ally. That was correct and I support GHW Bush's decision to not further pursue that war to occupy Iraq. I wasn't clear. I was talking about the Second Gulf War which was simply aggression mon our part. GW Bush didn't heed his father's warning and tried to occupy Iraq. We LOST the wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan and the second Iraq war. Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia. His family was allow to leave the U.S. on 9/11 when all other air traffic was grounded. The government identified hijackers all were from Saudi Arabia and supported by SA and Pakistan. We actually had bin Laden cornered in Afghanistan. The special forces requested backup and their request was denied. Later GW Bush said bin Laden was no longer a priority target. Finally Obama took him out.
     
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    [QUOTE="FollowTheWay, post: 2509997, member: 11730"I was talking about the Second Gulf War which was simply aggression mon our part. [/quote]

    No it was not simply an aggression on our part. The entire world including dems thought Saddam had WMD's. Of course we later found the reminents of his WMD program. Still to this day no one can exlplain the convoy of trucks leaving Iraq prior to our going in. Saddam had refused over and over again to not let the international community inspect those areas known to have those WMD's.



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    Nope, we abandoned it.

    completely wrong. Sorry for your mistake.

    Obama took him out for political reasons. Being from Saudi means nothing.
     
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    No it was not simply an aggression on our part. The entire world including dems thought Saddam had WMD's. Of course we later found the reminents of his WMD program. Still to this day no one can exlplain the convoy of trucks leaving Iraq prior to our going in. Saddam had refused over and over again to not let the international community inspect those areas known to have those WMD's.



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    Nope, we abandoned it.



    completely wrong. Sorry for your mistake.



    Obama took him out for political reasons. Being from Saudi means nothing.[/QUOTE]
    What is the name of the city that used to be named Saigon? Is it in a democracy or a communist country?
     
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    What is the name of the city that used to be named Saigon? Is it in a democracy or a communist country?[/QUOTE]

    You Democrats were in power when Viet Nam was abandoned to the communists.
     
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    You Democrats were in power when Viet Nam was abandoned to the communists.[/QUOTE]
    ARVN taking the lead and U.S. ground-force withdrawal
    Vietnam War - Wikipedia

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    ARVN and US Special Forces, September 1968
    Beginning in 1970, American troops were withdrawn from border areas where most of the fighting took place and instead redeployed along the coast and interior. US casualties in 1970 were less than half of 1969 casualties after being relegated to less active combat.[258] At the same time that US forces were redeployed, the ARVN took over combat operations throughout the country, with casualties double US casualties in 1969, and more than triple US ones in 1970.[259] In the post-Tet environment, membership in the South Vietnamese Regional Force and Popular Force militias grew, and they were now more capable of providing village security, which the Americans had not accomplished under Westmoreland.[260] In 1970 Nixon announced the withdrawal of an additional 150,000 American troops, reducing the number of Americans to 265,500.[258] By 1970 Viet Cong forces were no longer southern-majority, as nearly 70% of units were northerners.[261] Between 1969 and 1971 the Viet Cong and some NVA units had reverted to small unit tactics typical of 1967 and prior instead of nationwide grand offensives.[240] In 1971 Australia and New Zealand withdrew their soldiers, and U.S. troop count was further reduced to 196,700, with a deadline to remove another 45,000 troops by February 1972. The United States also reduced support troops, and in March 1971 the 5th Special Forces Group, the first American unit deployed to South Vietnam, withdrew to Fort Bragg, North Carolina.[262][A 5]

    Fall of Saigon
    Main article: Fall of Saigon
    Further information: Operation Frequent Wind
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    Victorious NVA troops at the Presidential Palace, Saigon
    Chaos, unrest, and panic broke out as hysterical South Vietnamese officials and civilians scrambled to leave Saigon. Martial law was declared. American helicopters began evacuating South Vietnamese, U.S., and foreign nationals from various parts of the city and from the U.S. embassy compound. Operation Frequent Wind had been delayed until the last possible moment, because of U.S. Ambassador Graham Martin's belief that Saigon could be held and that a political settlement could be reached.

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    Reunification parade following the Fall of Saigon, with the city being renamed Ho Chi Minh City
    Schlesinger announced early in the morning of 29 April 1975 the evacuation from Saigon by helicopter of the last U.S. diplomatic, military, and civilian personnel. Frequent Wind was arguably the largest helicopter evacuation in history. It began on 29 April, in an atmosphere of desperation, as hysterical crowds of Vietnamese vied for limited space. Martin pleaded with Washington to dispatch $700 million in emergency aid to bolster the regime and help it mobilize fresh military reserves, but American public opinion had soured on the conflict.

    President Gerald Ford had given a televised speech on 23 April, declaring an end to the Vietnam War and all U.S. aid. Frequent Wind continued around the clock, as North Vietnamese tanks breached defenses on the outskirts of Saigon. In the early morning hours of 30 April, the last U.S. Marines evacuated the embassy by helicopter, as civilians swamped the perimeter and poured into the grounds. Many of them had been employed by the Americans and were left to their fate.

    On 30 April 1975, NVA troops entered the city of Saigon and quickly overcame all resistance, capturing key buildings and installations. A tank from the 324th Division crashed through the gates of the Independence Palace at 11:30 am local time and the Viet Cong flag was raised above it. President Dương Văn Minh, who had succeeded Huong two days earlier, surrendered to Colonel Bùi Tín.[284]

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    In December 1973, two months after the resignation of Spiro Agnew, Ford became the first person appointed to the vice presidency under the terms of the 25th Amendment by President Richard Nixon. After the subsequent resignation of President Nixon in August 1974, Ford immediately assumed the presidency. His 895 day-long presidency is the shortest in U.S. history for any president who did not die in office.
     
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