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Tsunami and Repentance

Gershom

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More from John Piper on the tsunami:

Tsunami and Repentance

January 5, 2005

From pulpits to news programs, from the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal, the message of the tsunami was missed. It is a double grief when lives are lost and lessons are not learned. Every deadly calamity is a merciful call from God for the living to repent. “Weep with those who weep,” the Bible says. Yes, but let us also weep for our own rebellion against the living God. Lesson one: weep for the dead. Lesson two: weep for yourselves.

Every deadly calamity is a merciful call from God for the living to repent. That was Jesus’ stunning statement to those who brought him news of calamity. The tower of Siloam had fallen, and 18 people were crushed. What about this, Jesus? they asked. He answered, “Do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:4-5).

The point of every deadly calamity is this: Repent. Let our hearts be broken that God means so little to us. Grieve that he is a whipping boy to be blamed for pain, but not praised for pleasure. Lament that he makes headlines only when man mocks his power, but no headlines for ten thousand days of wrath withheld. Let us rend our hearts that we love life more than we love Jesus Christ. Let us cast ourselves on the mercy of our Maker. He offers it through the death and resurrection of his Son.

This is the point of all pleasure and all pain. Pleasure says: “God is like this, only better; don’t make an idol out of me. I only point.” Pain says: “What sin deserves is like this, only worse; don’t take offense at me. I am a merciful warning.”

But the topless sunbathers amid the tsunami aftermath in Phuket, Thailand did not get the message. Neither did the man who barely escaped the mighty wave with the help of a jungle gym and palm-leaf roof. He concluded, “I am left with an immense respect for the power of nature.” He missed it. The point is: reverence for the Creator, not respect for creation.

Writing in the New York Times, David Brooks rightly scorns the celebration of nature’s might: “When Thoreau [celebrates] savage wildness of nature, he sounds, this week, like a boy who has seen a war movie and thinks he has experienced the glory of combat.” But Brooks sees no message in the calamity: “This is a moment to feel deeply bad, for the dead and for those of us who have no explanation.”

David Hart, writing in the Wall Street Journal, goes beyond Brooks and pronounces: “No Christian is licensed to utter odious banalities about God’s inscrutable counsels or blasphemous suggestions that all this mysteriously serves God’s good ends.”

These responses are foreseen in Scripture: “I killed your young men with the sword . . . yet you did not return to me, declares the Lord” (Amos 4:10). “They cursedthe name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory” (Revelation 16:9).

Contrary to Hart’s pronouncement, the Christian Scriptures do indeed license us to speak of God’s “inscrutable counsels” and how he works in all things for mysterious good ends. To call this banal and blasphemous is like a bird calling the wind under its wing wicked.

Jesus said that the minutest event in nature is under the control of God. “Are not two sparrows sold for a penny?And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father” (Matthew 10:29). He said this to give hope to those who would be killed for his name.

He himself stood on the sea and stopped the waves with a single word (Mark 4:39). Even if Nature or Satan unleashed the deadly tidal wave, one word from Jesus would have stopped it. He did not speak it. This means there is design in this suffering. And all his designs are wise and just and good.

One of his designs is my repentance. Therefore I will not put God on trial. I am on trial. Only because of Christ will the waves that one day carry me away bring me safely to his side. Come. Repentance is a good place to be.

©Desiring God

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Here in Indonesia, the part that got hit really hard was the 'Mecca of Indonesia', known for keeping Islamic law. People now are also pointing out the wickedness in that area.

This region ran off the Christians from their area.

Right after it happened, they put a preacher on TV. He said this was the judgment of God and that the whole nation needed to repent.

Even from a mosque here in Jakarta, the preacher was saying that this was the judgment of God, and that the people there needed to stop gambling and various other sins.

So it seems some people in Indonesia are aware of God's judgment. The wrath of God is revealed from heaven againt all ungodliness of men.

Please pray that this tragedy will open the hearts of the Indonesians in that region. Christians are among those going in to help offer relief and rebuild.

When Egypt was stricken with plagues, there was some mercy there, too. They gained a knowledge of God. They knew that God was the LORD. May the people in this area also know who the Lord is through what has happened.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Was September 11th God's judgement?

How about the great Irish potato famine?

Who are we to sit in judgement of God, deciding which acts of His are judgement, and which are simply natural tragedies?
 

Eric B

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But the topless sunbathers amid the tsunami aftermath in Phuket, Thailand did not get the message.
He forgot to mention the tourists at wrecked hotels complaining about the service! :eek:
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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As a follow up, which of these were God's judgement and which were the natural course fo God's creation?

2004 - South Asia

An earthquake causes tsunamis that hit Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India, Thailand and other South Asian nations. The death toll is more than 120,000.

2003 - Iran

A 6.3 quake devastated the Iranian city of Bam, killing more than 50,000 people.

1999 - Venezuela

The death toll is still unclear from the rain-caused landslides that hit Venezuela in mid-December 1999; official estimates are as high as 30,000 deaths.

1998 - Central America

Hurricane Mitch devastates much of Honduras and Nicaragua in Central America. More than 10,000 people were killed and some 2 million left homeless as mudslides swept away whole villages.

1991 - Bangladesh

Bangladesh lost more than 130,000 people in April 1991 from cyclone-induced flooding.

1990 - Iran

An earthquake triggers a landslide, causing from 40,000 to 50,000 deaths in western Iran on June 20, 1990.

1988 - Armenia

In 1988, an earthquake measuring 6.9 on the Richter scale devastates Armenia, killing over 100,000 people perished.

1985 - Colombia

And a small eruption of the Nevado del Ruiz volcano in Colombia on November 13, 1985 leads to a massive mudflow that covers the city of Armero and kills more than 23,000 people.

1983 - Thailand

Monsoons kill 10,000 people in Thailand over the course of three months in 1983. Some 100,000 people contracted waterborne diseases as a result of the storm.

1976 - China

A deadly earthquake of a magnitude 8.0 strikes Tianjin, China, on July 27, 1976. The official casualty figure issued by the Chinese government was 255,000 people.

1970 - Bangladesh

Bangladesh loses more than 300,000 people in November 1970 from cyclone-induced flooding.

1970 - Peru

A magnitude 7.8 earthquake at Mount Huascaran, Peru, on May 21, 1970, causes a rock and snow avalanche that buries 2 towns, killing as many as 20,000 people.

1959 - China

In July 1959, massive floods in China kill at least 2 million people.

1938 and 1939 - China

Floods kill 1 million people in a two-year period in China.

1931 - China

The massive flooding of the Yangtze River in China in 1931 caused more than 3 million deaths from flooding and starvation.

1902 - Martinique

The eruption of Mont Pelée in Martinique, Lesser Antilles, in 1902, kills nearly 30,000 people.

1896 - Japan

About 27,000 people drown following an earthquake-induced tsunami off the coast of Japan.

1887 - China

In 1887, about 900,000 people died when the country's Yellow River burst its banks in the worst-ever recorded flooding.

1883 - Indonesia

On August 26, Krakatoa, a small volcano on an uninhabited island between Sumatra and Java, explodes. The eruption and a tsunami kill 36,000 people in this Indonesian region.

1815 - Indonesia

A volcanic eruption of Mount Tambora on Indonesia's Sumbawa island in 1815 kills than 90,000 people.

1780 - Caribbean

"The Great Hurricane" hits the Caribbean in October 1780 and kills 22,000 people on the islands of Martinique, St. Eustatius, and Barbados.

1556 - China

A quake hits the Chinese province of Shansi on February 2, 1556. It kills 830,000 people.

1201 - Mediterranean

The deadliest earthquake in history kills approximately 1.1 million people in Egypt and Syria.
http://www.nbc10.com/news/4030540/detail.html

Of course, these events should awake our minds to the brevity oflife, the need for repentanace, and the importance of sharing the gospel. But the world old. The tectonic plates that God created are going to shift, sometimes people will die in the weather patterns which He created and set in movement. Does God ever intervene? We can't know for sure. Does God judge directly? He very well might. But it is not my place to determine which acts are His intervention and which are the natural result of His perfect creation.

This was a bad place so it must be God's judgement? That is simply man's opinion.
 

Gershom

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There is evidence in the Bible that God deals in this manner, effecting judgment upon man. So there is support and reason to believe in this manner. If your conscience doesn't allow for that way of thinking, then don't.

There is also support from the Bible that such events, whether direct judgment or not, are in the plan and will of God. To deny this is not a matter of conscience, but of ignorance.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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There is also support from the Bible that such events, whether direct judgment or not, are in the plan and will of God.
No one can argue this fact. Nothing happens outside of God's divine will and plan.
 

Joseph_Botwinick

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Originally posted by C4K:
Was September 11th God's judgement?

How about the great Irish potato famine?

Who are we to sit in judgement of God, deciding which acts of His are judgement, and which are simply natural tragedies?
Roger,

We had this very same debate on another thread between LE and I. Check it out here

Joseph Botwinick
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Whoops
(Roger says sheepishly) ;)
 

Bro. James

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Everything that happens:

Is the result of God's sovereign will or His permissive will.

He could have put a stop to evil back when Satan fell. He also could have stopped Adam and Eve from falling. He did not--according to His will.

There was a big tsunami plus other hydraulic phenomenon in Noah's day--by the will of God--all flesh was destroyed save what was on the ark.

God is still on His throne,

Selah,

Bro. James
 

Joseph_Botwinick

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I think we can know from what the Bible reveals about him. Isn't that part of what the Bible is given to us for?

Joseph Botwinick
 
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