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Two Bush-Era Officials Reject Cheney Assertions

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Magnetic Poles, May 22, 2009.

  1. Crabtownboy

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    I do not think this thread is about Obama criticizing GB. So, let's stick with the topic. What is Cheney up to?
     
  2. Magnetic Poles

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    Yep, those guys on the right sure do obsess on the President.

    Bush's own guys have turned on him..and add to the list Scott McClellan and General Powell. To listen to the wailing around here, you'd think that disagreeing with President Bush makes someone a "Rino". Well, as Bush himself said, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pauses] - shame on you. Fool me — I can't get fooled again." :laugh:
     
  3. LeBuick

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    You sure about that? With him and his daughter on every show that will give him a listen defending his actions??? What is that all about?

    Plus, he is trying to get a book deal any bets on what will be in the book?
     
  4. LeBuick

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    Not sure what the difference was, Cheney looked down and read his entire speech from a book. Reading prepared text is reading prepared text no matter how you read it.
     
  5. LeBuick

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    The documents must not as clearly absolve Cheney as you believe since Pelosi is asking for the same documents to be released. Seems like the documents will say what you want them to say depending on where you stand on the issues.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/23/politics/washingtonpost/main5035680.shtml

     
  6. OldRegular

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    That "quisling" Scott McClellan is one you really want to have on your side. As for Powell one must admire his service, however, if it had not been for Republican Presidents Reagan and GHW Bush the country would not have heard of him.
     
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    Your non-response is noted. It is no surprise that you once again resort to sarcasm and a superior attitude. I have seen it stated on this Board that since the salvation of a person is eternal, that they can never lose it. I wonder how you respond to the example given in your citation, repeated below.

    An argument similar to this is often arises when people attempt to define religious groups. In some Christian groups, for example, there is an idea that faith is permanent, that once one becomes a Christian one cannot fall away. Apparent counter-examples to this idea, people who appear to have faith but subsequently lose it, are written off using the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy: they didn’t really have faith, they weren’t true Christians. The claim that faith cannot be lost is thus preserved from refutation. Given such an approach, this claim is unfalsifiable, there is no possible refutation of it.

    Do you accept this application of your so called "No True Scotsman" fallacy argument?
     
  8. Baptist in Richmond

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    Hey LeBuick,

    Let them keep talking/writing like this. The GOP is wildly out of touch, and was TROUNCED in two consecutive election years. Since 2006, the GOP lost the White House, the House, and the Senate.

    As for the former VP, his legacy has already been set in stone. He will be remember in this light regardless of the rhetoric. I am fighting a feeling of schadenfreude, but with every quote/headline, he really makes it hard.

    We can only hope Obama will be running against Palin in 2012. The only thing better would be running against Newt Gingrich, who is still an all-around bad guy (and perhaps the main reason I left the GOP in 2001).
    :laugh:

    Regards to you - hope all is well with you and yours,
    BiR (in St. Louis)
     
  9. JPPT1974

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    Seems like Gates likes Obama better than Bush I take it.
     
  10. Bro. Curtis

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    Actually, it was Powell's words, probably more than anyone else's, that put us in Iraq in the first place.

    Powell is a populist, nothing more.
     
  11. BigBossman

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    The problem is when Bush took office, he allowed alot of Bill Clinton's cabinet members to stay. When he took office, he should have cleaned house & hired some conservative cabinet members.
     
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    Agree that Powell is a populist, but actually it was the constant lobbying of Ahmed Chalabi to the President and Congress (for years) that put us in Iraq (Iraqi National Congresss, who wanted to depose Saddam). The squeaky wheel got the grease.
     
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    I take it you are welcoming the "bho" Fascist state!
     
  14. Baptist in Richmond

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    I just LOVE how the phrase "fascist state" is thrown around by those on the right......
     
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    Yep, Captain Hyperbole is alive and well. These people should really live in a fascist state for a while. Then they might respect the freedom we have in this great nation.
     
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    Most Americans do nor seem to have a clue as to how well they have it here. A little travel could give them a big education.
     
  17. Bro. Curtis

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    You say this a lot. But a lot of folks, especially now, just cannot afford to travel. So you must think they will remain ignorant. Would you be willing to pay higher taxes to get them to see as many countries that you have ?

    And the idea stems from your Mark Twain quote, who was a well-known atheist.
     
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    Actually most people do have clear knowledge how well we have it here. And often raise concerns for any slight change in the wrong direction because of that clear knowledge. But then taking cues form one who rarely shows up here for the sole purpose of criticizing other BB members will lead you in the wrong direction as well.
     
  19. Crabtownboy

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    And some people do not like to travel. But my experience and belief still holds that a little travel gives a person a big education, not only about other culture but also about your own culture.

    It is possible to travel by reading travelogues. Of course this is not the same as actually being there, but is is helpful. Also travel programs on TV give insights into other cultures.

    Being an atheist does not mean Mark Twain was wrong in his statement on travel. It is not a theological statement. He may have been an athiest, but he was a keen observer and a great writer.

    Read his description of a hound dog trying to catch a coyote from his book, "Roughin It."

     
  20. Bro. Curtis

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    No thanx. I've read enough Twain. He's no competition for the Holy Spirit.

    Also, travel did little for me in that regard. I wondered how a mother could feel good about bringing children intro the poverty I saw in some countries I visited. I remember especially being disgusted by how people in Naples, Italy lived. Cartegena, Spain comes to mind, as well. And the way Singapore treats her citizens should make an anti-waterboarder like you weep. Travel to other countries only makes me love America more. And it gives me the opinion that Aemricans are what make the country great, not it's government.
     
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