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Unbelievers Excuses

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Gina B, Sep 12, 2004.

  1. askM

    askM New Member

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    The answer I mainly get is "I'm not going to church with a bunch of hypocrites who think they're better than me". Then I try to tell them that church has nothing to do with it. Church is where you go to grow in your faith, and we should have our eyes on the Lord and not the congregation.
     
  2. Carolyn Dee

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    Answers (besides blank stares, door slamming, swearing, spit, stiff smiles, unanswered doorbells and polite silence) in no particular order: I'm Catholic, God hurt me too much and I just can't, that's nice, I'm ok, I'm a good person, I haven't killed anybody, I'll believe what I wanna believe and you believe what you wanna believe and (last, not least) I go to church.

    I've found that most people feel very defensive about what they believe because to "attack" their church/beliefs is perceived as a direct attack on their intellectual pride. I usually calmly respond thus: "You believe the Bible, don't you?" (I usually get a grudging nod because the prospect does not want to seem anti-Bible) and I'll go right to an appropriate verse. For example, if the prospect says "I'm a good person," then I go right to Ephesians 2:8-9. [​IMG] I try to avoid attacking and defending denominations. Stick with the Bible and Jesus and don't get sidetracked.
     
  3. mioque

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    AVL1984
    I'm going to agree with av1611jim and his statement: "the plethera of bible versions makes it hard to know just what to believe." Ofcourse in practice unbelievers are talking about the exclusion of the gospel of Thomas or some 19th century 'pseudo-gospel' they've heard something about and not about the to them unnoticable differences between Roman Catholic and Protestant Bibles.
     
  4. AVL1984

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    The above quote is for AVL1984's benefit.
    Clear as a mountain stream my friend.
    There's your proof. If unbeliever's use the "version issue" as an excuse not to listen to the gospel, then the problem is obvious to the honest observer. This is a legititmate concern if they use it to dismiss the gospel.
    BTW just how do YOU answer that objection.
    They won't buy the "Well you have to learn ancient Greek, then ancient Hebrew, and for good measure you need a little Aramaic with a smidgen of Latin for good measure" line that some would throw at a Bible believer.(that means KJVO to you)
    In His service;
    Jim
    </font>[/QUOTE]I asked for proof, so someone posted proof. I have never heard the excuse from anyone, even when I was a pastor, and I have been in church for over 35 years. And as far as "Bible Believer", I am a Bible believer, and use the KJV on a regular basis, though I am not KJVO. So your snide remarks are not called for either here or in the private message you sent. But, I find this reaction typical of KJVO's and that IS the truth. Anyhow, despite your angered response, bless you. [​IMG]

    AVL1984
     
  5. mioque

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    "I'm Catholic"
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    For some mysterious reason that line works wonders with certain groups of Protestant Christians.
    When members of my church are at some Christian event where we don't want to participate with some of it (Benny Hinn is a guest preacher, all present are required to speak in tongues, a seminar about the Truth that is British-Israelism) saying: "we're Catholic!" makes not participating completely acceptable at once.
     
  6. AVL1984

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    Yes, I've heard that one many times, too. In fact, my aunt is married to a Catholic man, and my x-sil is married to one. My wife's sister is Catholic as are her ex husband and the two daughters. They use that excuse a lot.

    AVL1984
     
  7. mioque

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    AVL1984&Marcia&av1611jim
    "How do you know the Bible is true? It's been translated so many times and there are so many interpretations that we don't know what it says."
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    To be honest this is less evidence for the need of the KJVO position than it appears at first sight. Lot's of people think that each new translation of the Bible is the translation of an earlier translation of the Bible. As in the NIV is a translation of the RSV which is a translation of the KJV which is a translation of the Vulgate which was made up by some bored monks in the 5th century who didn't understand the much more profound forbidden books of the Bible that only recently have come to light again, than they start droning on about some neo-apocryphal text badly written in the 1960's by some bored American college student under the influence of weak cannabis and badly explained Hindu theology, plagiarizing all the historical details straight out of the novel Ben Hur.
     
  8. Deborah B.

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    By far the most common I have heard:
    Church is full of money hungry hypocrites. I have even heard several people say that most religious preachers are child molesters. :eek:


    Because of Christ,
    Deborah
     
  9. Carolyn Dee

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    Ok, I've heard a lot of "I'm Catholic." So how have you responded to that? Does the conversation discontinue or is there a continuance? I'm curious about those who had this situation.
     
  10. NateT

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    My stepdad uses that to end the conversation.
     
  11. mioque

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    "I have even heard several people say that most religious preachers are child molesters."
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    A common form of bigotry in the Netherlands is the believe that incest is more common among hyperorthodox calvinists.

    "I've heard a lot of "I'm Catholic." So how have you responded to that?"
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    If others use it, usually the best response is to ask if they actually practice their faith.
    Over half of all converts in my church are former RC's and all of them were basically cultural Catholics born into the church bot not truly practicing.
    If my own side uses it, we desperately hope that the conversation will end (the alternative being having to participate in something like a workshop titled: Karl Barth was a satanist).
     
  12. Rooster

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    Hey , if Jesus wasn't pushy, then we wouldn't have him to thank for our salvation, if a person uses the "pushy" excuse it is because they don't want to hear the truth, if you were asleep in a burning house would you want someone to come over and yell and scream that you are in danger till they woke you up? or would you want someone to come over and *quietly* knock on the door, and if you don't wake up, walk away cause they don't want to be pushy? Now I do admitt, there is a point of crossing the line, like resorting to name calling, or not knowing when to walk away, but we do need to make an attempt to reach people, and be bold, and proud, about our Lord, cause if we don't try, it is their blood that is required on our hands on judgement day.
     
  13. Rooster

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    I hear that one too, the best response I found is: well you go to work with hipocrites, you go to sports games with hipocrites, you listen to music writen by hipocrites... and so on, we don't go to church to please mankind, we go to church to please God, no matter how hipocritical men may be , God is always loyal, and faithful to us, why shouldn't we be to Him?
     
  14. Rooster

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    Do you speak in tounges at your church, I have NEVER heard of a Baptist church that belives that we should speak in tounges, and that practice has ended centuries ago.
     
  15. Rooster

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    I hand them a Chick tract "Are Roman Catholics realy Christian" this track exposes the Catholic church about their roots from Pagenizim, and how people trust in the Church for thier salvation, and not Jesus, then goes on and give the Gosple, and how to come out of the midst of the Pagen lie.
     
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    Rooster
    "Do you speak in tounges at your church"
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    No.

    "that practice has ended centuries ago. "
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    Tell that to the Pentecostals.
     
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    Every report I have ever heard on the news is about some homosexual catholic priest molesting some ex-alter boy.
     
  18. Rooster

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    The pinto-cost-alls are not really speaking in tounges, back in the day when they realy were speaking in tounges they were useing real languages, and had an interprater&lt;==like you need for my spelling [​IMG] not some jibber-jabber made up words that can't be translated, anyways that is off topic, if you want to discuss this then start a new thread, or send me a privet message.
     
  19. Jim Ward

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    pinto-cost-alls [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  20. mioque

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    I agree with you on the Pentecostals. Why do you think we don't want to participate with them?
     
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