Understanding the 1000yr Reign?

Its not here in the flesh.

 

It shouldn't be hard to see when that is exactly what He said:

Luk 17:20¶And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luk 17:22And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see [it].

You are saying just what Jesus said not to say. "lo here! or, lo there!

BBob,

 

Don't know what translation you are using:

Rev 20: KJV
4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Souls do die when they sin, and come to life by the blood, but that is not what its saying here.

It is saying the souls lived and reigned with Christ. Souls do live, after the body dies.

And I saw thrones; and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them; and the souls of those beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and on account of the word of God; and those who had not done homage to the beast nor to his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and hand; and they lived and reigned with the Christ a thousand years:

 

First I will answer your footnote;
The New and American Standard is not my Bible of choice either.

BBob,

 

I get back with you tomorrow TC; have a good night, you and yours. Love,

BBob, :sleeping_2:

 

RE: Understanding the 1000 year reign

Here is a question for those who are for and against the 1000 year reign.

Where does Ezekiel chapter 37 come into this...or does it? I have a "take" on it, but I want study more before I post on it. Please let me know what y'all think.

Willis

 

So I suppose that my Christ-like vitriol is going to keep you from responding intelligently to my post just as the Pharisees, sensing that Jesus was talking bad about them, were "stopped in their tracks," eh? :laugh:

Good ole, BBob. So predictable. :sleeping_2:

skypair

 

TC, the problem is that BBob does not "see" the physical kingdom of Christ that the disciples were talking about EVER coming into existence. Apparently it is rapture of the spiritual kingdom right into ("deliveered up to") the kingdom of God. So when you ask about the physical kingdom, as any OT disciple would, he is flummoxed. He has no such concept to present.

Basically told them it was not given to them to know when He would return as the "Lion of Judah" to reign on earth on David's throne!

skypair

 

Here's another view for you to contemplate: Adam to Jesus birth was the kingdom of man (notice that prophets and the yet coming Christ were called the "son of man") ---- during Christ's life, the kingdom of Messiah was on earth/"at hand" --- since Christ, we are under the kingdom of the Spirit --- during the trib and MK, Christ's earthly kingdom will be established (the one He delivers up to the Father) --- the last earthly kingdom is the kingdom of God, the perfect, eternal kingdom.

Notice -- this is all about the facets of an earthly kingdom. God reserves His perfect spiritual kingdom for now to/within Christ and believers only.

skypair

 

You added to reign on earth part!!!!!!!!!

BBob,

 

And just how many Kingdoms does Christ have anyway????

BBob,

 

This is SO bogus!!

1) Nobody said it wasn't a "resurrection."

2) It certainly is NOT the "first resurrection!" By very definition (Rev 20:4) the first resurrection involves a) (as you said) SOULS, not bodies! b) involves those who were beheaded for the WITNESS OF CHRIST -- of which NONE of the saints living even in Jesus time could have known. Even the thief on the cross could only say, "Remember me when Thou enterest Thy kingdom." They couldn't be "witnesses" to the sacrificial payment for sin NOR of His kingdom yet.

Two more points: 1) Mt 27:52-53 is the "firstfruits" spoken of in 1Cor 15:23, period! 2) The "first resurrection" (aka: "resurrection of the just") is the resurrection of the trib and OT saints into Messiah's Millennial Kingdom. Where else to you suspect that Job will appear and in his flesh see his Redeemer??? Job 19:25-28 Or does it give you pleasure to deny them their inheritance and to deny God's promises?

skypair

 

I don't get this statement. Has He already reigned on earth? Or are you just agreeing by saying that there is no future reign on earth (In which case you are cutting out a whole bunch of scripture as TC says.).

skypair

 

That's a good question, BBob. Are you familiar with dispensationalism? I broke them down in order to show who was "ordained" with the truth on the earth at any given time.

Jesus "kingdom of heaven" parables, and especially Mt 13, speak of 7 earthly administrations of Christ over an earth kingdom and the judgment that follows all leading into His reigning presence in His MK on earth. The point of all these parables seems to be that Christ rules the earthly kingdom INDIRECTLY during the KoH between Adam and the 2nd coming.

But siginificantly, there are two eras that speak of the salvation of the whole man -- body, soul, and (you always leave this out) spirit, 1Thes 5:23. The OT speaks to the justification of the soul/conscience before God. It is "phase 1" of salvation.

The NT is "phase 2" where we are simultaneously justified in soul and sanctified in/by the Spirit. This is critical, BBob, because the OT saints were never sanctified in their spirits and so the MK is for them to be resurrected and prepared in spirit (sanctified, Ezek 37:14, etal.) to receive the kingdom of God.

Now in the future there is also the kingdom that you know about -- the kingdom of God come to earth (after it is delivered up, right?). This is the last "phase of salvation where all who are justified and sanctified are glorified in body together into the "eternal kingdom." Of course, technically, this glorification of the body happened to the church/NT saints preMK into NJ whereas to the MK saints it happens postMK to live in NH/NE (though they like us are initially "caught up" to NJ).

Do you see the purpose now for the earthly MK?? It has to do with the total redemption of man to God.

skypair