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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Walls, Feb 16, 2004.

  1. donnA

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    My husband was born here, grew up here, and has never been anywhere else. He prefers to live his life here like his family always has. Yes, Ky has a lot of very poor people. And eastern Ky is even worse, I've seen films of it, in some areas it looks like 3rd world country.


    Yes school uniforms cost a lot more then regular clothes, unless those regular clothes are bought at an expensive store, which I wouldn't do even if I were able. Plus regular clothes can be worn for everything else too, not just school. When your poor you can't afford a different change of clothes for everything you do. Most of the clothes my kids had growing up were from clothes closets, free clothes becasue we could not buy even a new pair of pants for school, we bought shoes, socks and if we could new underware, that ws it. I'm not sure some even realize just how little $2,500 YR income actually is.
     
  2. dianetavegia

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    Oh How Awful, Donna. That's $48.00 a week. My parents lived off that when I was a child but you're a lot younger than ME so you're only talking 10 years ago.

    Praise the Lord for His seeing you through those hard times. God never fails.

    Diane

    Matt. 5:45b for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
     
  3. Jim1999

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    Why is there no industry in Kentucky? It would seem that if there are that many people in a state of poverty, some industries would relish the available labour pool. Lower wages for sure, but not exactly starvation wages. I don't understand why anyone would want to stay where there is NO future, let alone the abject poverty.

    When England had nothing to offer after the war, we packed up and moved to a new country for a new start. We did not accept poverty. We moved on. I do not understand. Sorry.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    In a "normal" situation, school uniforms do not cost any more than regular clothing for school. In fact, the costs are lower. The clothing is standard and style is not the issue. We cannot apply the same principle to unique situations, but then I doubt if such schools would be in those locations.

    Understanding the locations, I begin to understand why a woodstove would not heat a home. I heat 3000 sq ft with ONE woodstove. It consumes 3 full cord of firewood each year and our temperatures reach -30 in winter. Our house averages 65-72 degrees fahrenheit.

    Houses in Kentucky must have paper-thin walls, no insulation and open draughts through windows and walls. No heating system would suffice. A woodstove is no different to a gas or oil furnace. They all produce x amount of BTU's. A woodburner relies on natural air movement, whilst a furnace moves warmed air through ductwork.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  5. Gib

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    Jordan and Taylor go to the same school. The lower school students have to wear a uniform, but not the upper school students. IMO, it's the older students that need policing.
     
  6. dianetavegia

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    We've moved many times for jobs. I'm tired of moving but would do it again if a good job presented itself. The decision is always up to my husband. I'll go whereever he chooses.

    We heated with wood in Connecticut. We had a Franklin Wood stove with a catalytic converter on top. It was a good bit of work. We only bought and burned hardwoods. The guy we bought from delivered and stacked the wood for $75. a cord. We'd store some on our enclosed 'summer room' and some by the stove but the rest was out on side of the garage. We'd use 1 1/2 cords a year at the most but our house was about 2,000 sq.ft. and well insulated.

    About uniforms... My husband has worked for companies that insisted the men wear only solid colored shirts and either tan or black pants. Other places insist on steel toed boots. Workers at gas stations wear shirts with logos on them. The world sees these 'uniforms' as a form of identification with a profession. I've seen people in Christian T-shirts smoking cigarettes or using a vulgar hand signal. I've seen drivers with Christian symbols on cars cut others off and go above the posted speed limit. The clothing and symbols are just that. Cloth and metal. God see's the heart.

     
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    Diane,

    Are you measuring a cord of wood at 4'x4'x8'? $75.00 is the price of a 1/2 ton truck load here. Pme cubic cord of hardwood is equal to 250 gallons of heating oil in heating capacity.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    As most of you know, I was a firefighter/paramedic for many years.

    I wore a uniform mostly because chicks really dig it.
     
  9. Gib

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    Police in our town get free pastries and coffee at the local Walmart. And the chicks dig the uniform.
     
  10. russell55

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    I pay $130 for a 4x4x8 cord, and it's not hardwood, but standing dead pine. We use about 5 cords a winter. I supplement with oil at night since it's impossible to keep a pine fire going all night unless you get up every couple of hours to throw another log on. Use oil on warmish days, too as dead pine fires burn really hot, no matter how much you damp them down.
     
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    My husband was born here, grew up here, and has never been anywhere else. He prefers to live his life here like his family always has. Yes, Ky has a lot of very poor people. And eastern Ky is even worse, I've seen films of it, in some areas it looks like 3rd world country.


    Yes school uniforms cost a lot more then regular clothes, unless those regular clothes are bought at an expensive store, which I wouldn't do even if I were able. Plus regular clothes can be worn for everything else too, not just school. When your poor you can't afford a different change of clothes for everything you do. Most of the clothes my kids had growing up were from clothes closets, free clothes because we could not buy even a new pair of pants for school, we bought shoes, socks and if we could new underwear, that is it. I'm not sure some even realize just how little $2,500 YR income actually is.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I changed states to make more money. I found that the midwest was one of the most expensive places for me to live. Wages are about one half of what they are where I live now. Most everything else is the same except housing and utilities. But I have twice as much money to pay for the difference in housing costs. My utilities average about 35 percent of what they were in other states. That includes water, garbage, gas and electricity. We heat very little and don’t have air conditioning.

    You have to make 1/3 more here to buy a home and 8 percent to rent. But I make double what I made in any other state where we lived. People think it is costly to live here but it is more expensive to live anywhere else. My wife makes 2.5 times what she did in the midwest with better benefits.

    My uncle who lives in Alaska says the same thing.

    The fact is that I bought a house almost three years ago and could sell it and pay cash with the money we made for a home where we lived in the midwest before. If we did that we will have paid for a home back there in three years instead of thirty.
     
  12. donnA

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    We're right where God has put us and we'll stay right where we are until He says different. Money means nothing compared to waiting for God. I think people put too much value on money. You have to have some to live, but you don't need so much you have boo-coos of stuff and expensive homes and cars. If we were to happen to have that kind of income, then fine if we don't then fine, no problem.
     
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    And sometimes a place that's home to you and where you have good friends is more important than money, too...
     
  14. gb93433

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    I don't believe the real issue is money and waiting on God at all. I just don't buy it when you say that you only had 2500 dollars per year. I made more than that right out of high school in 1971 working at almost minimum wage and going to college. If you made one dollar per hour that would be $2080 per year. When was the last time the wages were that low? Even my grandparents who were married at the end of the depression always worked. In 1945 they put $3000 down on a farm by working in the fields.

    The fact is that I have little more possessions than when I lived near you. But I am able to give more to missionaries and the church. I only need so much to live on and I don't need the rest. Life is not about how little I can get by on or how much I possess but how much I can give. It is one thing if I have nothing to give because I am disabled but it is another to refuse to work.

    Years ago I was in a positon in a company to hire people. A man came to me and told me he was looking for work. He had been laid off. It was a tough time for many. I asked him where he was working. He had been laid off a good job. But he didn't let what happened to him prevent him from working. He worked two part time jobs flipping hamburgers in fast food restaurants. I called all of his references. There was one reason I hired him. He was motivated to work at a job to pay the bills. He did not have some of the qualifications I was looking for but he had the big one. He went from working in an office to flipping hamburgers.

    Prov. 24:30-34, " I passed by the field of the sluggard And by the vineyard of the man lacking sense, And behold, it was completely overgrown with thistles; Its surface was covered with nettles, And its stone wall was broken down. When I saw, I reflected upon it; I looked, and received instruction. "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest,"Then your poverty will come as a robber And your want like an armed man."

    We must work so that we have something to give. A few years ago there was a young man in a Bible study I led and he wasn't working. He told me that he was waiting on God for a job. So I asked him how many people he had talked to. He had not talked to anybody. I gave him one month to get a job or leave the Bible study. He got a job and he was a very different man. He had dignity and was more motivated. Having to work forty hours each week made him be more disciplined.
     
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    I don't believe the real issue is money and waiting on God at all. I just don't buy it when you say that you only had 2500 dollars per year. I made more than that right out of high school in 1971 working at almost minimum wage and going to college. If you made one dollar per hour that would be $2080 per year. When was the last time the wages were that low? Even my grandparents who were married at the end of the depression always worked. In 1945 they put $3000 down on a farm by working in the fields.

    The fact is that I have little more possessions than when I lived near you. But I am able to give more to missionaries and the church. I only need so much to live on and I don't need the rest. Life is not about how little I can get by on or how much I possess but how much I can give. It is one thing if I have nothing to give because I am disabled but it is another to refuse to work.

    Years ago I was in a positon in a company to hire people. A man came to me and told me he was looking for work. He had been laid off. It was a tough time for many. I asked him where he was working. He had been laid off a good job. But he didn't let what happened to him prevent him from working. He worked two part time jobs flipping hamburgers in fast food restaurants. I called all of his references. There was one reason I hired him. He was motivated to work at a job to pay the bills. He did not have some of the qualifications I was looking for but he had the big one. He went from working in an office to flipping hamburgers.

    Prov. 24:30-34, " I passed by the field of the sluggard And by the vineyard of the man lacking sense, And behold, it was completely overgrown with thistles; Its surface was covered with nettles, And its stone wall was broken down. When I saw, I reflected upon it; I looked, and received instruction. "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest,"Then your poverty will come as a robber And your want like an armed man."

    We must work so that we have something to give. A few years ago there was a young man in a Bible study I led and he wasn't working. He told me that he was waiting on God for a job. So I asked him how many people he had talked to. He had not talked to anybody. I gave him one month to get a job or leave the Bible study. He got a job and he was a very different man. He had dignity and was more motivated. Having to work forty hours each week made him be more disciplined.
     
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    I don't believe the real issue is money and waiting on God at all. I just don't buy it when you say that you only had 2500 dollars per year. I made more than that right out of high school in 1971 working at almost minimum wage and going to college. If you made one dollar per hour that would be $2080 per year. When was the last time the wages were that low? Even my grandparents who were married at the end of the depression always worked. In 1945 they put $3000 down on a farm by working in the fields.

    The fact is that I have little more possessions than when I lived near you. But I am able to give more to missionaries and the church. I only need so much to live on and I don't need the rest. Life is not about how little I can get by on or how much I possess but how much I can give. It is one thing if I have nothing to give because I am disabled but it is another to refuse to work.

    Years ago I was in a positon in a company to hire people. A man came to me and told me he was looking for work. He had been laid off. It was a tough time for many. I asked him where he was working. He had been laid off a good job. But he didn't let what happened to him prevent him from working. He worked two part time jobs flipping hamburgers in fast food restaurants. I called all of his references. There was one reason I hired him. He was motivated to work at a job to pay the bills. He did not have some of the qualifications I was looking for but he had the big one. He went from working in an office to flipping hamburgers.

    Prov. 24:30-34, " I passed by the field of the sluggard And by the vineyard of the man lacking sense, And behold, it was completely overgrown with thistles; Its surface was covered with nettles, And its stone wall was broken down. When I saw, I reflected upon it; I looked, and received instruction. "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest,"Then your poverty will come as a robber And your want like an armed man."

    We must work so that we have something to give. A few years ago there was a young man in a Bible study I led and he wasn't working. He told me that he was waiting on God for a job. So I asked him how many people he had talked to. He had not talked to anybody. I gave him one month to get a job or leave the Bible study. He got a job and he was a very different man. He had dignity and was more motivated. Having to work forty hours each week made him be more disciplined.
     
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    I don't believe the real issue is money and waiting on God at all. I just don't buy it when you say that you only had 2500 dollars per year. I made more than that right out of high school in 1971 working at almost minimum wage and going to college. If you made one dollar per hour that would be $2080 per year. When was the last time the wages were that low? Even my grandparents who were married at the end of the depression always worked. In 1945 they put $3000 down on a farm by working in the fields.

    The fact is that I have little more possessions than when I lived near you. But I am able to give more to missionaries and the church. I only need so much to live on and I don't need the rest. Life is not about how little I can get by on or how much I possess but how much I can give. It is one thing if I have nothing to give because I am disabled but it is another to refuse to work.

    Years ago I was in a positon in a company to hire people. A man came to me and told me he was looking for work. He had been laid off. It was a tough time for many. I asked him where he was working. He had been laid off a good job. But he didn't let what happened to him prevent him from working. He worked two part time jobs flipping hamburgers in fast food restaurants. I called all of his references. There was one reason I hired him. He was motivated to work at a job to pay the bills. He did not have some of the qualifications I was looking for but he had the big one. He went from working in an office to flipping hamburgers.

    Prov. 24:30-34, " I passed by the field of the sluggard And by the vineyard of the man lacking sense, And behold, it was completely overgrown with thistles; Its surface was covered with nettles, And its stone wall was broken down. When I saw, I reflected upon it; I looked, and received instruction. "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest,"Then your poverty will come as a robber And your want like an armed man."

    We must work so that we have something to give. A few years ago there was a young man in a Bible study I led and he wasn't working. He told me that he was waiting on God for a job. So I asked him how many people he had talked to. He had not talked to anybody. I gave him one month to get a job or leave the Bible study. He got a job and he was a very different man. He had dignity and was more motivated. Having to work forty hours each week made him be more disciplined.
     
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    I don't believe the real issue is money and waiting on God at all. I just don't buy it when you say that you only had 2500 dollars per year. I made more than that right out of high school in 1971 working at almost minimum wage and going to college. If you made one dollar per hour that would be $2080 per year. When was the last time the wages were that low? Even my grandparents who were married at the end of the depression always worked. In 1945 they put $3000 down on a farm by working in the fields.

    The fact is that I have little more possessions than when I lived near you. But I am able to give more to missionaries and the church. I only need so much to live on and I don't need the rest. Life is not about how little I can get by on or how much I possess but how much I can give. It is one thing if I have nothing to give because I am disabled but it is another to refuse to work.

    Years ago I was in a positon in a company to hire people. A man came to me and told me he was looking for work. He had been laid off. It was a tough time for many. I asked him where he was working. He had been laid off a good job. But he didn't let what happened to him prevent him from working. He worked two part time jobs flipping hamburgers in fast food restaurants. I called all of his references. There was one reason I hired him. He was motivated to work at a job to pay the bills. He did not have some of the qualifications I was looking for but he had the big one. He went from working in an office to flipping hamburgers.

    We must work so that we have something to give. A few years ago there was a young man in a Bible study I led and he wasn't working. He told me that he was waiting on God for a job. So I asked him how many people he had talked to. He had not talked to anybody. I gave him one month to get a job or leave the Bible study. He got a job and he was a very different man. He had dignity and was more motivated. Having to work forty hours each week made him be more disciplined.
     
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    You are right on that one!

    My grandparents came from Central KY and when the depression hit, they moved to where my grandpa could make better money. Once the children were all raised and gone the moved back!
     
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    You are right on that one!

    My grandparents came from Central KY and when the depression hit, they moved to where my grandpa could make better money. Once the children were all raised and gone the moved back!
     
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