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Unions, have they overstayed their welcome?

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  1. Jim1999

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    In the days of waterfront labour and sewing room tragedies unions may have had a place. There are so many government regulations to-day, the have outlived their usefulness.
    I have another thought also. My father slaved with his money to build a business. What right does a union have to tell him what to do with that hard earned money which built the company? This being said, it is also important that the owner treats those who toil for him, with respect and dignity.

    I am amazed that Americans decry communism, yet support the most communist organization in the world.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    I think, if you came down here and interviewed some folks, you would find most Americans heavily against labor unions.
     
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  3. Jim1999

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    That's good to read. Thank you.. We only get the outspoken folk, I guess.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #23 Jim1999, Aug 25, 2011
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    :laugh:

    That's our level-headed, non-biased, objective news reporting. They're unionized, as well.
     
    #24 Bro. Curtis, Aug 25, 2011
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  6. billwald

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    The most communist organization is the family. Second most communist in the US might be American Indian tribes.
     
    #26 billwald, Aug 25, 2011
  7. convicted1

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    The unions came about to give the workers a voice(and say) on what working environs should be, given a fair working pay, and not be mere "pawns" for their employees to pull around by their strings. Without the fear of union organizers, the non-union miners would not have better pay. If you take unions away, the pay scale would drop like a rock in water.

    Unions brought about better legislation to ensure safer working conditions, competitive salaries, affordable health covergae, etc.

    I am talking about the UMWA, because that is what I know about. My grandfather(mom's dad), was born in 1900, and he worked before the WVa mines organized, so he knew the importance of what they(UMWA) stood for.

    In 20006, Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship went on a French vacation on the French Rivieria, and Elliott "Spike" Maynard, then a WVa state supreme court judge, had taken photos of them together. They even drank $25.00 a glass champagne!! None of the miners who helped him obtain his seven figure a year salary, could afford $25.00 a glass champagne. Maynard then voted in favor of a Massey Energy appeal, in which they were to pay a 76+ million dollar fine. This was in an ABC 20/20 documentary. Two WVa mines(Sago and Upper Big Branch mines) had explosions where several miners were killed. Findings showed where these two mines had failed to keep up with federal standards concerning mine safety. FTR, neither of these two mines were in the UMWA.
     
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  8. J.D.

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    I joined the Union because I support the idea of having an advocate for workers. Later, I resigned from the Union because I found out that my dues were supporting liberal causes that are not related to worker advocacy. And I didn't like being bullied by the Union any more than I like being bullied by management.

    Somebody should take the lead and stand up a new worker advocacy group and put the corrupt unions out of business.

    By the way, is anyone aware of how many grievances have been filed against UNION BOSSES by EMPLOYEES OF UNIONS?
     
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    Get another job.
     
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    A union would have done a much better job of taking your money and using it for corrupt purposes and political base building, with all the power and money going to the union bosses.
     
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  11. NiteShift

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    Well I am neither. And as far as that goes I would rather Republicans not make any deal than to make one that only digs us deeper in the hole.

    You are right, I had forgotten that advantage to unions.
     
    #31 NiteShift, Aug 26, 2011
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    In Regard to Your Question...

    ...In my humble experience, they have stayed way tooooo long. It is time for a major overhaul of how unions serve the workers, or it is time to forge a new path without their help!

    As union represented employee, I NEVER got the value of my monthly dues from them when management tried to inflict a hurt on me! :tonofbricks:

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
    #32 righteousdude2, Aug 26, 2011
  13. convicted1

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    I love FDR!!!

    From an article I thought to be interesting:

    http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/flsa1938.htm

    So, FDR did a lot for the working class Joes.......
     
    #33 convicted1, Aug 26, 2011
  14. mandym

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    Do you realize that much of the "New Deal" was found to be unconstitutional and FDR then wanted to pack the court by adding 6 more he could manipulate?
     
    #34 mandym, Aug 26, 2011
  15. Bob Alkire

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    How soon we forget!
     
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  16. mandym

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    Not to mention it als prolonged the depression. Much like what Obama is doing with this recession.
     
    #36 mandym, Aug 26, 2011
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    Example or theory that FDR prolonged the depression?
     
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    To be a member of any political party that condones and approves of murdering babies is not better than anything I can think of.
     
    #38 John Toppass, Aug 27, 2011
  19. Bob Alkire

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    FDR did not recognize that prices had fallen because of the Depression. They believed that the Depression prevailed because prices had fallen. The obvious remedy, then, was to raise prices, which they decided to do by creating artificial shortages. His policies designed to cure the Depression by cutting back on production. Raising prices when the people have no money isn't smart.

    His gold confiscation didn't work. The price of gold was increased from $20.67 to $35.00 per ounce, a 69% increase, but the domestic price level increased only 7% between 1933 and 1934, and over rest of the decade it hardly increased at all. FDR's devaluation provoked retaliation by other countries, further strangling international trade and throwing the world's economies further into depression.

    Having hurt the banking system and destroyed the gold standard, then he went after agriculture. Working with the politically influential Farm Bureau and the Bernard Baruch gang, Roosevelt pushed through the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. It provided for acreage and production controls, restrictive marketing agreements, and regulatory licensing of processors and dealers "to eliminate unfair practices and charges." It authorized new lending, taxed processors of agricultural commodities, and rewarded farmers who cut back production.

    It goes on and on.
     
    #39 Bob Alkire, Aug 27, 2011
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