US Ambassador was tortured, suffocated, raped, killed, had body dragged in streets.

Your Obamma left the four who were killed in Libya as sacrificial lambs. His motive was probably to get votes but who knows how this person thinks?

 

I know how he thinks, he doesn't. The military and war should be totally apolitical. Pandering for votes using members of the armed force is an outrage, and that goes for both sides.

 

A new president and secretary of state that put America's interests first.

Not those of islam.

 

I can show ya who benefits most.



So let me get this straight I don't love liberty and freedom because I am against the patriot acts, the NDAA, the Military Commissions act, warrantless searches, military adventurism and it's endless wars, illegal phone taps, spying on our friends and neighbors for big brother, facial recognition technology, prohibition which is a proven failure, the war on drugs which is a proven failure, the "war on terror" which is a proven fraud using extremists and terrorists to overthrow sovereign nations, the banker bailouts, corporate welfare, consolidation of power into a few hands, a private global banking cartel running our economy, Obama Care and abortion?

You told me in another thread that after the nominees were chosen "we" have to work with what is left. Didn't ya?

So here you are working with what is left. The same people who helped bring us some of the worst liberty, freedom and constitution killing pieces of legislation and law for the last 20+ years.

And you tell me I don't love liberty and freedom???

If you love liberty and freedom so much why did you crawl into the same bed with those who hate it and seek only to bring us more wars more debt more slavery and more oppression?

Tell me, in your world black is really white and up is really down isn't it?

It's as if you my very good friend have totally lost sight of anything that even resembles reality. If you truly loved freedom and liberty as you claim you wouldn't have chosen to work with your current bedfellows.

So what is it that you do truly love? Obviously from your willing support of "what's left" it isn't the constitution or liberty or freedom at all.

 

Well, thank you very much. I did not mean to say you personally did not respect liberty and freedom. You certainly do defend it. Our posts were more closely in agreement during the primary season. If you will recall, I got a lot of angry posts for pounding Romney during the primary season.

Let me ask it this way. After the nominees are chosen, and granted, neither is much to brag about, what should we be doing during this period of time? We have had several threads about starting now to get good nominees for 2016, but this question is about between now and November.

As much as you think I am a Romney stooge, I worked in the Constitution Party over the last few years, and attended their national nominating convention. IMO the platform of the Constitution Party is spot on, but there is not much inner drive to make a change. For example, during the national convention, lots of the delegates did not even bother to show up, and most of the ones that were there were more interested in having a party.

There is no reason for you to be angry with me, as I think your ideas are sincere, well thought out, and understand that most of the political system is motivated by greed instead of wanting to serve the people.

Maybe at this late date in relation to the election, we differ what is useful to do until after the election. All I was asking was how would you suggest we do something positive between now and the election.

My apologies about the reference to the Twilight Zone.

 

We can all start by breaking the chains. You vote in every election right?

Well, I vote each and everyday. I vote when I choose to buy my morning coffee from the little mom and pop cafe instead of "Dunkin Donuts". I vote when I choose to buy my produce from local farmers instead of Kroger. I vote when I choose to buy household items at the locally owned hardware store instead of Wal Mart.

We have to break the chains.

And we have to keep spreading the message of liberty. It doesn't begin or end with Ron Paul or any other man. It begins with you teaching your kids or grand kids the principles of liberty and self government. But beyond that we have to set an example for them to follow.

What kind of example do we set when we preach liberty and freedom while supporting people who's only solutions are bigger more intrusive government and handing our national wealth over to a global banking cartel and giving multinational corporations the power to destroy their competition, like the little cafe where I buy my morning coffee, or the local hardware store or the farmers market?

Break the chains . . . vote with your money!

Alot of people here dissed Ron Paul and said he never accomplished anything. Really? Who was talking about auditing the Fed before Ron Paul? Who's talking about it now? Who was in favor of a gold standard before Ron Paul? Who's claiming to be considering it now? Alot of people here dissed Ron Paul about his "insane" foreign policy ideas. What new policy does Romney have? He doesn't have a new policy he has the same policy Bush and Obama had, have whatever. The policy is the same, rule the whole world through intimidation and military force.

Oh you don't like Bush's foreign policy of rule through intimidation and military force? Ok, then try Obama's foreign policy of rule through intimidation and military force. Don't like that either well then try Romney's NEW and IMPROVED foreign policy of rule through intimidation and military force.

It's like playing three card monty when all three cards are the same. Who benefits from this long running core policy of ruling the world through intimidation and military force?

Can ya answer me that? And can ya tell me when ruling the world through intimidation and military force and using extremists and terrorists as proxy armies became a principle of liberty and freedom?

And can ya tell me what example we're setting for our children when we speak out of one side of our mouth about liberty, freedom and the constitution while out of the other side of our mouth we're demanding the deaths of millions that we have continually threatened, harassed, invaded, bombed and massacred since WWII for a little taste of revenge?

Can ya tell me that?