US marines in hot water over Christian coins in Iraq

As always, carpro's MO of personal attack is all he has to contribute. You are fully aware that I strongly support freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Your problem is you want to preach the gospel by using the power and resources of the government, and when someone disagrees, you denigrate their relationship with the Lord.

So show me why one is okay and one is not. But we both know that requires the ability to engage in lucid, rational dialog. Easier by far to toss out the frequent ad hominem. BTW, the comparison was not about Christians and Nazis, but about a military force injecting religion into war and government policy. But you also know that.

 

Hi MP,

Maybe I can take a crack at this. Before we open a dialog, I want to make sure we are on the same sheet of music. Since I don't know you very well, I need to ask a couple of questions. I mean no offense. Would you agree that:

1. There really is an eternal heaven and an eternal hell.
2. Faith in Jesus is the only way to heaven.
3. All other religions in the world only lead to eternal damnation in hell.
4. It is the responsibility of every Christian to spread the gospel.

 

No backpedalling r remorse carpro...maybe you just see the point better. If so, great.

Mr. Dudley, lunch break is over, so I'll discuss your questions later. Besides, in depth dialog is not easy typing on a cell phone. ;-)

 

Who here would have advised Paul to keep himself out of jail ?

 

Mr. Dudley, rather than setting up the "let's find out if he is really a Christian" questions, lets just talk.

Best regards,
MP

 

So, Magnetic Poles translated means Artful Dodger!:thumbs:

 

Nice

 

Major Dudley, this speaks volumes.

 

Folks, I will put my Christianity up against anyones, but I don't play the game of "I am more Christian than you". Sorry.

I will add that it is nothing to be playing this game about. It is not about what I did, but what Christ did. Those of you who revel in yourselves should be ashamed.

 

MP,

I did not pose those questions because I doubted your salvation. That is between you and the Lord. I simply assumed you were saved. The point of the questions was to give us a starting point to discuss the marine's actions.

The point of th questions actually come from something in my own life. My father-in-law accepted Christ as his Savior when he was a teen. However, over the past 20 years he has sat under a pastor that was quite liberal (in my opinion) and my father-in-law would disagree with me on the answer to all 4 questions. Therefore, he never can understand my drive to witness to everyone I can.

My thought was that, if you and I agree on these then we can have a profitable dialogue on the role of witnessing in the life of a soldier.

 

OK, fair enough. However, I am adamant that religion and government be separate and not to intervene in each other's domains in most cases. There are exceptions, e.g., if a religion believes in abusing children, the government should step in. Examples are the FLDS and when Jehovah's Witnesses allow their children to die for lack of a blood transfusion.

As for government employees proselytizing on duty, be they teachers, soldiers, or even the President of the United States, that is overstepping the boundary. We are a secular republic, where all are free to worship by the dictates of their conscience (or not worship at all). When government and religion mix, we get things like book burnings, witch trials, persecution of minority religions, and yes, even inquisitions.

 

What is it about plain English you don't understand. I have done no such thing. You truly have a comprehension problem. I have never said I, nor anyone else here, is more Christian than anyone else. Nor did my last post say I was sorry about anything I had done other than not playing your ridiculous, childish game.

 

Then quit accusing me of such, and provide evidence. The reason you don't is that it doesn't exist. Show where I ever claimed to be a better Christian than anyone else. C'mon...shouldn't be too hard for an ace like yourself. :laugh:

 

LIke I said. Ya got nothing but hot air and false accusations. Provide evidence of your accusation or admit you are lying. Trying to change the subject doesn't get you off. You accused me of saying I am a better Christian than others here. I did no such thing. Unless you can provide evidence, you stand proved to be a liar by your own words.