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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Ed Edwards:
    "3 nights and 3 days in the belly of the earth:"

    GE:
    I shall here fall down, and wash your feet with my tears, Ed Edwards, if could you kindly open me the text you read this here in? I shall kiss your feet in most humble adoration for your scholarship and greatness as teacher. I shall relinquish everything I have ever held for my own opinion; and shall follow thee all the days of my life your humblest and most loyal of servants.
     
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  2. Ed Edwards

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    Never mind the face falling around. You are a couple of years my elder, Elder GE.

    Mat 12:39-40 (KJV1611 Edition): But hee answered, and said to them, An euill and adulterous generation seeketh after a signe, and there shall no signe be giuen to it, but the signe of the Prophet Ionas.
    Mat 12:40 For as Ionas was three dayes and three nights in the whales belly: so shal the sonne of man be three daies and three nights in the heart of the earth.
     
  3. EdSutton

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    My turn! Part one. :rolleyes:

    I shall 'bold' the statements from the post, with conclusions and/or opinions in black, which may or may not be valid, true statements in blue, and false statements in red. My own comments will be in green.
    Opinion, as I have outlined above.

    Part two to follow:

    Ed

     
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    Part two.

    Same format, as before.
    This last statement is utterly false, and I have twice previously shown, in this thread, that the RSV was not, in absolutely any way, an invention of Drs. Westcott and Hort. Rather than face this fact, not only is this falsehood repeated, but now it is compounded!

    antiaging, I notice you reside in New Orleans, and are currently unemployed. May I suggest you look up or otherwise contact Chaplain Rev. Henry (Hy) McEnery, the Director of the Greater New Orleans Child Evangelism Fellowship, there, who happens to be a long time personal friend of mine. (I also have another personal friend, also in the ministry, that I could recommend, there in N.O. as well, but choose not to publicly do so, just as I would not do with any other female, to help to insure her own personal safety.) As one does not know who else might read these pages, one cannot be too careful in this, IMO, where ladies are concerned. However, I'm fairly sure Hy, as one who happens to be a highly trained Army Ranger, and also serves as a Chaplain to both the Fire Dept. and Police Dept. as well, can fully take care of himself, so I do not ever hesitate to mention him publicly. And his name can be found with ease, publicly, on the Internet, as well.

    Ed
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Gerhard Ebersoeln:
    A personal question: Elder GE:

    Why are you fighting me? I'm giving you the ammunition you need from the Scripture to fight for your pet Resurrection of Jesus Doctrine.

    Matthew 12:39-40 (NIV):
    He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
    40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    'Day' and 'night' here contrast each other:
    'day' = the 12 hours of the daily cycle where light is predominate
    'night' = the 12 hours of the daily cycle were dark is predominate

    three days + 3 nights
    = 3 (12 hours) + 3 (12 hours)
    = 36 hours + 36 hours
    = 72 hours

    The arithmetic part of mathematics is lots truer (though not scripture) than history books (where people have reasons to lie). But it sure seems to me that Jesus predicted he would be '72 hours in the belly of the earth'. So that is what I said.

    The traditional Friday to Sunday morning is
    Friday (our time) 6PM to Midnight - 6 hours of night
    Saturday Midnight to 6AM - 6 hours of night
    Saturday 6AM to 6PM - 12 hours of day
    Saturday 6PM to Midnight - 6 hours of night
    Sunday Midnight to 6 am - 6 hours of night

    Adds up to 24 hours of might and 12 hours of day = 36 hours NOT 76 hours needed

    So the Traditional Friday to Sunday morning burial of Jesus is WRONG - it does not fulfill the prophecy of Jesus.
     
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    HP: I believe that Barnes has a very plausible explanation, and it does not set the scriptural account at odds with itself or with the commonly held view of the church.
     
  7. EdSutton

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    And a Thursday crucifixion, as we reckon time, is even more plausible, plus requires no 'theological gymnastics' to accomplish, which both a 'Wednesday' or a 'Friday' crucifixion do, not the least of which is both of those days require Jesus to travel further than was permitted, for "a sabbath day's journey" in order to get where He went. Study it out, by reading all the Scripture abut the event.

    Then, specifically check out the account of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. "On the first day of the week..." (Lk. 24:1); "That same day" (Lk. 24:13); "today is the third day since these things..." (Lk. 24:21); "toward evening" (Lk. 24:29); and "the day is far spent" (Lk. 24:29), etc.

    Also, consider "when" the resurrection occurred. This event is variously described as taking place "the third day" (Lk. 24:46; I Cor. 15:4); "in three days" (Matt. 27:40; Jn. 2:19); "after three days" (Mk. 8:31); "on the third day" (Ac. 10:40), and Jesus said He would "be 'three days and three nights' in the heart of the earth", and note that Jesus did NOT say that 'his body would be in a grave for any 72 hrs.'

    Simply put, 'Wednesday' is too early' and 'Friday' is 'too late.'

    Anybody wanna' hazard a guess as to what day is left, which just happens to fit?? I'll even give you a hint. It starts with the letter "T".

    G'nite, to all you BB kiddies! It's time to :sleeping_2:

    Ed
     
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  8. antiaging

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    Ed, any accurate translation of textus receptus and massoretic text is the real Word of God. The KJV just happens to be the best translation of these real unaltered texts, done by the best English scholars.
    Using vaticannus and Sinaiticus which are corrupted texts to correct the real texts is error. It was done by catholics trying to shoot down the protestant bible and replace it with a more catholic bible. The modern versions presented to the protestant churches, niv, nasb, rsv etc. are basically catholic bibles with the apocrypha pulled out.
    Former Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera said that Rome is trying to pull all the churches under the control of the vatican. They have infiltrated the protestant pulpits, bible colleges and church memberships with catholics pretending to be protestant. They are sneaking in catholic bibles, [modern versions] and catholic doctrine into the protestant churches and have been doing it at a rather fast pace since the end of World war 2.
    In the past protestant churches blasted Rome from the pulpit. Rivera said most protestant churches have now been subdued. [The churches with united in the name are virtually controlled by the vatican.] Preachers that speak against Rome now are going to be persecuted, [Tony Alamo for example] or according to Alberto Rivera, even killed by poison or scientific death in a hospital. --or at least have their ministry ruined by a fake scandal.
    The modern bible versions to me represent part of the falling away or departing form the faith that Paul prophesied would happen.
    The closer we get to the rule of the antichrist and the end, the more error will creep into the church. The fake modern bibles represent a large part of that error.
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    Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Ask God to lead you to use His real Word. He for sure knows which one it is.
    I have done that repeatedly at times. That is why I use the King James version.
    Also the year I got saved Jesus appeared to me and paraphrased scripture to me which looks very much like KJV text.
    He called me by my name and said, "you must die before you enter society. Unless the seed die the tree cannot bear good fruit. All trees that do not bear fruit will be cut down."
    Now I have seen scripture in the KJV bible that looks very much like this. Which is another reason why I accept that one as the real Word of God.
    I am working now and have been for months. I don't have the time to spend on the computer like you do. I need to get ready for work now.
    bye
     
  9. Rippon

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    I beg your pardon?Are you saying that the NIV,NASB,HCSB and others are not really the Word of God?
    And what do you do with the hundreds of Bibles in foreign languages?
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    Ask God to lead you to use His real Word. He for sure knows which one it is.
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    God knows everything for sure.His "real Word" is not only encapsulated in a 400 year old version.
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    Also the year I got saved Jesus appeared to me and paraphrased scripture to me which looks very much like KJV text.
    He called me by my name and said, "you must die before you enter society. Unless the seed die the tree cannot bear good fruit. All trees that do not bear fruit will be cut down."
    Now I have seen scripture in the KJV bible that looks very much like this. Which is another reason why I accept that one as the real Word of God.
    [/quote]

    You know,for all the railing you do about Roman Catholic infiltration and the MV's not being legit -- you stand in great error with your Jesus visitation.I think others here are concerned about that too.You're off the deep end and in danger.
     
  10. Rippon

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    I beg your pardon?You have no right to say that.You're claiming that the NIV,NASB,HCSB and others are not genuinely the Word of God?!You have a lot to learn.
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    Ask God to lead you to use His real Word. He for sure knows which one it is.
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    God knows everything -- that's for sure.Among the things He knows is that the real Word of God is not encapsulated in only a 400 year old version.
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    Also the year I got saved Jesus appeared to me and paraphrased scripture to me which looks very much like KJV text.
    He called me by my name and said, "you must die before you enter society. Unless the seed die the tree cannot bear good fruit. All trees that do not bear fruit will be cut down."
    Now I have seen scripture in the KJV bible that looks very much like this. Which is another reason why I accept that one as the real Word of God.
    I am working now and have been for months. I don't have the time to spend on the computer like you do. I need to get ready for work now.
    bye[/quote]

    You know,for all the railing you do about Roman Catholics infiltrating Baptists ranks and impugning MV's -- you are in grave error with your mysticism.That supposed Jesus visitation of yours is evidence as to how far off you are.
     
  11. antiaging

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    God knows everything for sure.His "real Word" is not only encapsulated in a 400 year old version.
    _____________________________________________________________

    Also the year I got saved Jesus appeared to me and paraphrased scripture to me which looks very much like KJV text.
    He called me by my name and said, "you must die before you enter society. Unless the seed die the tree cannot bear good fruit. All trees that do not bear fruit will be cut down."
    Now I have seen scripture in the KJV bible that looks very much like this. Which is another reason why I accept that one as the real Word of God.
    [/quote]

    You know,for all the railing you do about Roman Catholic infiltration and the MV's not being legit -- you stand in great error with your Jesus visitation.I think others here are concerned about that too.You're off the deep end and in danger.[/QUOTE]

    Your comment sounds alot like what Festus told Paul, when he told him of his Jesus visitation.

    Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

    Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

    Acts 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.

    Acts 26:25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
     
  12. Ed Edwards

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    antiaging: // Ed, any accurate translation of textus receptus and massoretic text is the real Word of God. The KJV just happens to be the best translation of these real unaltered texts, done by the best English scholars.Ed, any accurate translation of textus receptus and massoretic text is the real Word of God. The KJV just happens to be the best translation of these real unaltered texts, done by the best English scholars. //

    1. This is not true. The KJV also used the LXX and Latin Vulgate - both these sources are condemned by certain parties, but non-the-less, the KJV used all ancient sources available to them.

    2. Modern versions that are "any accurate translation of textus receptus and massoretic text is the real Word of God' such as the nKJV and HCSB are condemned by some along side of texts like the NIV and TNIV which always side with the 'oldest texts'.
     
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    And having reached 30 pages we will now close this thread.
    Feel free to start another if you so desire.
     
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