Version Calls Jesus and Satan the Same Thing

[Scott J]

Originally posted by RaptureReady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orvie:
RR- stop bearing false witness!

I'm not, I'm telling the truth.

"What's the difference?" all BV's must accurately translate the Originals, whether KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB,NIV, etc

Then why do they all disagree? The KJB translates it perfectly, not the MVs. </font>[/QUOTE]They didn't translate it perfectly unless they were directly inspired by God... and as I have proven, they are not biblically qualified.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by michelle:
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Yeah, they don't hate it but they love to change it, to make it fit what they want. I ask, what's the difference?
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Change it to make it fit what they want???
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You just might be beginning to understand now (?).


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

You are the only one recently I have seen here trying to change the Bible to make it fit what you want. You point to several passages of scripture as "proof" that the KJV is perfect... yet those scriptures say nothing about the KJV or translations or even physical copies of a text.

You are still laboring under the notion that if you believe it... then God must have meant it no matter what He actually said.

 

[Pastor Larry]

bad lions, Detroit lions,

you shouldn't repeat yourself. Once is enough of a reminder for us around here. And redundancy is repetitive all over again.

 

[DeclareHim]

Originally posted by michelle:
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posted August 12, 2004 10:06 AM
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quote:
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Originally posted by C4K:
That was a sarcastic remark made at all who reject an MV because they don't like the way translation is done.

The obvious answer is "Of course no one would say that" and that is point.

Granny, people here DON'T HATE the KJV.
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Yeah, they don't hate it but they love to change it, to make it fit what they want. I ask, what's the difference?
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In my understanding, they do hate it, as they attack it (God's preserved words) and say it has errors, where none exist,

Statements like this only show ignorance and complete lack of knowledge concerning this issue.
Show proof KJV is God's preserved words. You guys crack me up

you just picked a version any version and decided that it was the Word of God.

very sad. You have said before we have to accept the KJV is God's Word just by faith. Well I accept the ISV by faith that it is God's Word. THE END.

(p.s. because I believe this everyone else must to or their not using God's Word. There I started my own movement.)

 

[natters]

DeclareHim said "Well I accept the ISV by faith that it is God's Word. THE END. (p.s. because I believe this everyone else must to or their not using God's Word. There I started my own movement.)"

If anyone challenges you on it, you can just say God corrected what was already in existence. If anyone challenges you about THAT, just tell them that if they understood they would understand.

 

[GrannyGumbo]

you just picked a version any version and decided that it was the Word of God.

'Fraid not, dear. I didn't "pick" it...it was always there, as it was for my kith and kin. It picked me & has kept me safe and sound all these years. Never knew there was anything 'else' till the '70s, and I wasn't interested in giving up something that brought me such peace and satisfaction.

 

[Bro Tony]

quote:
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bad lions, Detroit lions,
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you shouldn't repeat yourself. Once is enough of a reminder for us around here. And redundancy is repetitive all over again.

Pastor Larry,

How true! But consider yourself blessed you could be stuck with the Cardinals.

Bro Tony

 

[AVL1984]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
Wait a minute are you sure one should not be translated leo, after all they can't be the same word picture.

Bro Tony

Sorry...off the subject for a minute...not to hijack the thread.

LOL! Bro. Tony...let me ask you something, PLEASE!!!! Why didn't anyone let me know there was another Brother Tony here! (Could it be that I haven't posted here in a while??? LOL) I've been signing my posts all day today as BT or Bro. Tony...Guess I'd better stop before everyone gets confused. Glad to meet you. I will now be known as AVL1984.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by michelle:
I take great offense to those who worship Satan, and refer to him as the morning star. I take great offense to the New Agers calling their ascended master "the Christ". This is blasphemy, any way you look at it, and DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR HOLY BIBLE.

I take great offaence to Christian posters
who belitle Jesus by using a small "h"
in "he" when they refer to my Blessed and
Holy, Lord and Savior: Jesus, the Christ.
Likewise for using little "h" "he" for
God the Father or God the Holy Spirit.

I am not offended nor mislead nor cause
to doubt when the
KJV1769 Bible uses a simile or metaphor
of "the Morning Star" for the King of
Babylon (a type of Satan).

I am not offended nor mislead nor cause
to doubt when the KJV1769 Bible
calls Jesus "the Christ".
(the phrase "the Christ" is used 19 times
in the KJV1769)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by michelle:

The pure words of God in the English Language do not say Bright Morning Star, they say BRIGHT and MORNING STAR.

Rev.22

16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I AM THE root AND the offspring of David, and THE bright AND morning star.

Think what you just said.
What is the differenc between
"Bright Morning Star" and "Bright and Morning
Star".

Here is the difference.
"Bright and Morning Star" indicates that
both BRIGHT and MORNING modify STAR.
In ""Bright Morning Star" there are two
possible meanings:
1. both BRIGHT and MORNING modify STAR
2. BRIGHT modifies MORNING and MORNING
modifies STAR. SO then it is speaking
of a star on a BRIGHT MORNING.
This second meaning is trivial.

And the differnce with no AND and with
the AND is? The doctrine changed because
of the difference is what?

Thou knowest I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:

Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

[Dr. Bob]

Well, I'm glad to see my little picking at the scab of KJVonly fallacy has brought intelligent discussion.

ANYONE with a brain can see that the lion reference to Jesus and the lion reference to satan might use the same metaphor but are not the same.

And so with a number of other words used of both Jesus and satan.

ANYONE with a brain. Sadly, some of are fighting unarmed . .

 

[Bro Tony]

LOL! Bro. Tony...let me ask you something, PLEASE!!!! Why didn't anyone let me know there was another Brother Tony here! (Could it be that I haven't posted here in a while??? LOL) I've been signing my posts all day today as BT or Bro. Tony...Guess I'd better stop before everyone gets confused. Glad to meet you. I will now be known as AVL1984.

Glad to meet you. How long has it been that you have posted? I have been here for a few months now. I am glad I have a brother named Tony also

Bro Tony

 

[michelle]

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ANYONE with a brain can see that the lion reference to Jesus and the lion reference to satan might use the same metaphor but are not the same.

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Incorrect.

As I have shared with you all the FACT that Satan is NEVER REFERRED to as morning star. There are no other scripture referrences indicating this, and God always defines and explains with other scriptures. The only scriptures that speak of THE MORNING STAR are speaking of Jesus Christ. There is not any other scriptures referring, nor implying that Satan is the morning star, or even like the morning star.

I most definately have a "brain" and I can see this clear as day. The difference is however, my brain has not, and is not clouded/brainwashed by mans wisdom and understanding. My understanding comes from the Lord Jesus Christ.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

Michelle said "The only scriptures that speak of THE MORNING STAR are speaking of Jesus Christ."

Again with the circular arguments. When you understand, you will understand.

 

[AVL1984]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />LOL! Bro. Tony...let me ask you something, PLEASE!!!! Why didn't anyone let me know there was another Brother Tony here! (Could it be that I haven't posted here in a while??? LOL) I've been signing my posts all day today as BT or Bro. Tony...Guess I'd better stop before everyone gets confused. Glad to meet you. I will now be known as AVL1984.

Glad to meet you. How long has it been that you have posted? I have been here for a few months now. I am glad I have a brother named Tony also

Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]It had been between six months and a year since the last time I had posted. I thought I'd come back to the BB for a little sanity in posting!
Some of the other forums I've been on lately have been "off the wall". Plus, I have some friends here like Dr. Bob and SaggyWoman.
Hope to see you posting more!

AVL1984

 

[AVL1984]

I was just made an issue of this this morning with a friend of mine from college. I got an email from him condemning MBBC in Watertown and wanting others who are grads or former students there to join in a petition to Dr. Jaspers about the use of the MV's. In the particular portion I got from my friend, it had Psalms 35:12, I believe and how it differed in the different translations.

I brought this very subject up. It was inferred by this friend a few months back that MBBC was allowing MV's to take over and that words describing Christ and lucifer in the same terms were used in the MV's. I pointed out that the KJV did the same. It's apparently made him angry. Good friend, but very much KJVO. I doubt he'll accept that the KJV does indeed do the same thing.

AVL1984

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by RaptureReady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orvie:

"What's the difference?" all BV's must accurately translate the Originals, whether KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB,NIV, etc

Then why do they all disagree? </font>

Actually they don't "all disagre". This is a perceptual
difficulty you have. I find this agreement
problem frequently in IFBs. One IFB cannot
get along with the next IFB, how can they hope
to accomplish something when they can't
agree on anything, not even what the scripture
means?

 

[AVL1984]

You're right. They don't all disagree. It is sort of like when you have four people in the room together witnessing the same event. You are going to get 4 different translations of the event, some parts in total agreement, and some with what would seem like discrepancies, though they wouldn't be discrespancies at all. Now, with IFBs...well, I'll keep my mouth shut on that.

AVL1984

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by michelle:
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ANYONE with a brain can see that the lion reference to Jesus and the lion reference to satan might use the same metaphor but are not the same.

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Incorrect.

As I have shared with you all the FACT that Satan is NEVER REFERRED to as morning star. There are no other scripture referrences indicating this, and God always defines and explains with other scriptures. The only scriptures that speak of THE MORNING STAR are speaking of Jesus Christ. There is not any other scriptures referring, nor implying that Satan is the morning star, or even like the morning star.

I most definately have a "brain" and I can see this clear as day. The difference is however, my brain has not, and is not clouded/brainwashed by mans wisdom and understanding. My understanding comes from the Lord Jesus Christ.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

In other words, the KJV is never wrong because Michelle (the final authority on Bible versions) says so but MV's are always wrong because they differ from the wording of the KJV.

It is truly sad to see someone sink so deeply into KJVOnlyism that they assert divine authority for their own unfounded, unscriptural opinions.

 

[HankD]

This seems to me to be another useless exercise in futility, I don’t why we allow ourselves to get roped into them.

The most effective strategy that the KJVO have is the event where somehow the rules of engagement get changed in the middle of the thread but never to our advantage.
Relevant things somehow become irrelevant (especially if things are looking bad).
Definitions of words and concepts are magically changed midstream.

The result: Suddenly we become “ignorant” because we are unable to understand because we just don’t understand.

BTW, metaphor is metaphor. In fact there is a picture of Jesus Christ in the Scripture portrayed as a serpent, the favorite scriptural image of you-know-who.

Numbers 21:8-9
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

John 3:14-15
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.