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Vets who support the war

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bro. Curtis, May 10, 2007.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Yep, we should know better believing that the liberal left wing media would ever say anything positive about the war or anything else for that matter.

    I don't agree with some of what Bush has done, but I have never seen more hatred towards a president than what I have seen thrown towards Bush. Everything and every topic comes back around bashing Bush. Its as if they only have one goal and one agenda.
     
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    Just for the sake of discussion, let me post some stuff here, Bro. Curtis.
    Now, for the record, before anything else, let me say that I am 100% in support of our men and women in Iraq, am 100% in support of police personnel and other services serving this country, and am 100% conservative in belief and practice (at least as far as I'm aware of).

    However, from the article:

    My question is: whose freedom ? If it is the Iraqis freedom, haven't we already liberated them from the tyrannical rule of Saddam ? Haven't we already secured for them, with American blood, the freedom to fight and bicker all day in their Senate or whatever it is called, just so they can end the day with no significant legislation, just like corrupt third worlders do ?
    If it is our freedom, how can securing the Iraqis' freedom make sure our freedoms are guaranteed ? I don't see the correlation there.

    Which war is lost ? And which war are we trying to win ? We went into Iraq to remove Saddam from power, because, according to this president, Saddam is a terrorist. So, Saddam is out, what war is still being fought then ? Their civil war is not our war, is it ? If they want to bring down their own country after we took out somebody they couldn't take out on their own, why the hell should we care ?

    I say let them have a go at it. Who cares ? They don't care, why should we ? I think that at this point of the "war", the blood of our soldiers are being shed for nothing, anymore.

    They're already here ! They have been here for a long time !! I think the failure is not the soldiers'. I think the failure should be laid, pre 9/11, squarely on the doorsteps of those charged with the domestic safety of Americans. The FBI. The CIA. The Homeland Security offices nee INS. And above all the politicos in both houses of congress, and from both parties, too, at this point in time, both trying to outstage and outshine the other (not everyone of them, of course).

    I think what we need to worry about most will be the homegrown ones, the homeboys, if you will. People of the likes of Timothy Mc'veigh, and of the likes of American Muslims who were born here and are taken in by the rhetorics of internet terrorists.

    We can't forever use this as an excuse to keep shedding American blood on soil that is not ours, and for a people who couldn't care less.
     
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    Obviously you missed the heights of Watergate and Vietnam.

    President Nixon was treated with more disrespect by the media than any President I can recall. It went beyond disrespect, there was a pure hate of the man, and a glee when he failed. Although he made mistakes, his administration did not come close to this one in failed leadership.

    It is time for a solution in Iraq, but a daily grilling of the President is not the answer.

    No President deserves this kind of ridicule. He basically engineered the Democrat win in 2006, so he is reaping what he sowed, but why all the hate daily? If they could drive him from office, look who would be President. His time is short. It is beyond me why so many enjoy taunting him. He will be out of office in the blink of an eye.

    Bush deserves the criticism he has gotten over an array of issues from conservatives, but those who never liked him take advantage of the situation an create an atmosphere where he cannot do a thing.
     
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    And therein is one reason why, though I believe we ought to get out of Iraq now because I think the blood of our warriors are being shed for nought at this point, I do not like most media, most democrats and some people.

    They want out of Iraq because they hate Bush.

    Reminds me of third world politicos who will undo everything that the previous administration did, even those that benefited the people, citing so many reasons, and yet flimsily hidden is the real reason: they hate the other guy who just went out of power.
     
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    Wow! 2,700 out of the hundreds of thousands who have served in Iraq signed the petition?
     
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    As I have written before, I travel extensively. I have yet to meet a soldier in my travels who supports the war. I have had a few who won't comment at all, but have yet to meet one who actually will support what is going on. I am on the road at least two weeks each month, and have sat with numerous servicemen and servicewomen.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    I doubt that you have talked with many, if you can't find one who supports the war.
     
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    Seems to be more than signed against it, eh ?
     
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    Also, I think most of these men and women would rather keep quiet than be vocal.
     
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    1,930 have signed the appeal for redress...

     
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    Thanx, Rufus. I'll get back to this. I'm heading up to the Canadian border for some spring skiing, and I will be back, Sunday morning.

    It does seem like a mojority support the war.
     
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    Have a blessed time...be sure to dodge the trees. ;)
     
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    That is right on the mark. Most men and women would just serve, do their job, and not comment on political matters. That is a professional military person. It is really a mute point whether more are for or against the war. They are there. End of story. There are plenty of us to debate the rights and wrongs.
     
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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]However, there are plenty of modern fascists. But to find them, you have to go to North America and Europe. These neo-fascists advocate "preemptive attacks against all potential enemies," grabbing other nation’s resources, overthrowing uncooperative governments, military dominance of the world, hatred of Semites (Muslims in this case), adherence to biblical prophecies, hatred of all who fail to agree, intensified police controls, and curtailment of "liberal" political rights.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]They revel in flag-waving, patriotic melodrama, demonstrations of military power, and use the mantle of patriotism to feather the nests of the military-industrial complex, colluding legislators and lobbyists. They urge war to the death, fought, of course, by other people’s children. They have turned important sectors of the media into propaganda organs and brought the Pentagon largely under their control. SOURCE

    With all the money and effort spent to convince American's that "islamofascists" (sic) want to kill us all and rule the world is anyone really surprised that a great number of American's believe it, without question and support the neocon fascist policies while denying they are indeed themselves supporting the real fascist regimes?

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    I have to agree with the above statement. In fact, if you have noticed on this board, there are a good number of people who wave the flag, sing "God Bless America", put their flags on their cars to wave down the interstate, and did not lift one finger of service to this country, or made no sacrifice.
     
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    Birds of a feather.

    You should get out more.
     
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    The question should be...who does our miltary actually serve, the country (land, people and constitution) or the NWO (international community) which is made up of transnational corporations (including the six or seven conglomerations that also own and control "the mainstream media") and "colluding legislators and lobbyists" with no loyalties at all to this country? Not how many of our troops and vets support or how popular the NWO's current "wars" for global hegemony are among our soldiers and veterans.

    Trying to prove a point by asking then pretending to answer the wrong questions is well, misleading to say the least.
     
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    Even if they do, it is the Congress that sets policy for the federal government and all eligible voters can choose who becomes a member of the House and the Senate in their district and state.
     
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    Congress is just a rubberstamp for the "international community" anymore. What the globalists want the globalists get. No questions and the debates are as phoney as a three dollar federal reserve note.
     
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