Vision of Hell!! Do you believe those who say they have been to hell?

God may show someone a vision of hell, but I do not believe that He will allow someone to die, go to hell, and then bring them back to life to become a christian. Contrary to the Word of God.

Also, since hell is a place of outer darkness, would not be much of a vision. Blackness and screaming would be all.

Someone saying they saw hell would have to be lying since it is 'outer darkness' No light whatsoever. How could they see it?

 

Mary Baxter claims to have been in hell. In her book Jesus is even lying!
He promises her not to leave her alone during the time where he shows her hell. He guides her through hell on different days and then brings her home and the next day they go to hell again and so on.
One day Jesus is suddenly gone and Mary is tortured by demons! And then later Jesus shows up again and explains to her that he had to do this. She had to experience the pain of being tortured because otherwise she might have thought that this experience was not real and only a dream. Oh yeah.... :sleeping_2:

 

xdisciplex, why do you waste time reading these books and starting topics on these areas? You could spend time so much more profitably reading the Bible. Get some basic Bible study guides and use them.

 

I read the book years ago. I also have to admit that somehow this stuff is also interesting, I guess it's the "x-factor". :smilewinkgrin:

 

To answer the original OP, no.

 

Have you read

"A Divine Revelation of Hell"

and

"A Divine Revelation of Heaven"

by Mary K. Baxter?

 

Outer Darkness, where is that in the Bible?

 

It is certainly reasonable to conclude that God "can show" someone the fire and brimstone suffering of the "2nd death". In fact we know that HE DID show it to John - John shows us what HE was shown in Rev 20!!

But the pagan ideas of hell floating around today are NOT what we see in the Bible.

In the Bible (Matt 10) BOTH body AND soul are "destroyed" in fiery hell.

In the Bible - the 2nd death of fire and brimstone is NOT inflicted on the lost until AFTER they are judged at the Great White throne judgment! Which takes place AFTER the 2nd resurrection and in the full view of all!

In the Bible - Satan is not "in charge" of hell - he is suffering in hell.

In the Bible - the fiery torment in fire and brimstone of the 2nd death takes place "IN the Presence of the Lamb AND of His Holy ones" Rev 14:10 just like Jonathan Edwards also believed.

The Bible view of this is very different from the greek pagan view.

In Christ,

Bob

 

The Bible view is also very different than that of the SDA and others who believe that man who is sentenced to hell will be annihilated.

The Bible speaks of them not receiving rest neither day nor night.

How can one say they are completely destroyed and yet, have no rest? No, my friend, they will not be destroyed in the sense that they will just cease to exist. The Bible is very clear that they will be tormented day and night for all eternity.

 

Rev 14:10 states that


10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy ones AND in the presence of the Lamb.

How can you imagine that you will not be there to witness every second of their torment just as Rev 14 shows us and as Jonathan Edwards affirms?

 

If this was true, so what, it is God's perogative. He is God, You are not.

 

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This verse in no way says the soul is destroyed in hell. All it says is that the soul can be killed in hell.

You are inserting an "ARE" where it does not belong.

 

SDA is a false religion. It is seeped in pagan influences. Most SDA doctrine is not biblical.

Seventh-Day Adventism


Most people know little about the Seventh-Day Adventists beyond that they worship on Saturdays, not Sundays. But there’s more to this unique sect.


Adventist History



The Seventh-Day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as "Adventists."

When Christ failed to appear, Miller reluctantly endorsed the position of a group of his followers known as the "seventh-month movement," who claimed Christ would return on October 22, 1844 (in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar).

When this didn’t happen either, Miller forswore predicting the date of the Second Coming, and his followers broke up into a number of competing factions. Miller would have nothing to do with the new theories his followers produced, including ones which attempted to save part of his 1844 doctrine. He rejected this and other teachings being generated by his former followers, including those of Ellen Gould White.

Miller had claimed, based on his interpretation of Daniel and Revelation, that Christ would return in 1843–44 to cleanse "the sanctuary" (Dan. 8:11–14, 9:26), which he interpreted as the earth. After the disappointments of 1844, several of his followers proposed an alternative theory. While walking in a cornfield on the morning of October 23, 1844, the day after Christ failed to return, Hiram Edson felt he received a spiritual revelation that indicated that Miller had misidentified the sanctuary. It was not the earth, but the Holy of Holies in God’s heavenly temple. Instead of coming out of the heavenly temple to cleanse the sanctuary of the earth, in 1844 Christ, for the first time, went into the heavenly Holy of Holies to cleanse it instead.

Another group of Millerites was influenced by Joseph Bates, a retired sea captain, who in 1846 and 1849 issued pamphlets insisting that Christians observe the Jewish Sabbath—Saturday—instead of worshipping on Sunday. This helped feed the intense anti-Catholicism of Seventh-Day Adventism, since they blamed the Catholic Church for changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

These two streams of thought—Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary and the need to keep the Jewish Sabbath—were combined by White, who claimed to have received many visions confirming these doctrines. Together with Edson and Bates, she formed the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination, which officially received its name in 1860.

Today the denomination reports that it has 780,000 members in the United States and 7.8 million members elsewhere, many in Catholic countries.
Seventh-Day Adventism


Most people know little about the Seventh-Day Adventists beyond that they worship on Saturdays, not Sundays. But there’s more to this unique sect.

Adventist History

The Seventh-Day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as "Adventists."

When Christ failed to appear, Miller reluctantly endorsed the position of a group of his followers known as the "seventh-month movement," who claimed Christ would return on October 22, 1844 (in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar).

When this didn’t happen either, Miller forswore predicting the date of the Second Coming, and his followers broke up into a number of competing factions. Miller would have nothing to do with the new theories his followers produced, including ones which attempted to save part of his 1844 doctrine. He rejected this and other teachings being generated by his former followers, including those of Ellen Gould White.

Miller had claimed, based on his interpretation of Daniel and Revelation, that Christ would return in 1843–44 to cleanse "the sanctuary" (Dan. 8:11–14, 9:26), which he interpreted as the earth. After the disappointments of 1844, several of his followers proposed an alternative theory. While walking in a cornfield on the morning of October 23, 1844, the day after Christ failed to return, Hiram Edson felt he received a spiritual revelation that indicated that Miller had misidentified the sanctuary. It was not the earth, but the Holy of Holies in God’s heavenly temple. Instead of coming out of the heavenly temple to cleanse the sanctuary of the earth, in 1844 Christ, for the first time, went into the heavenly Holy of Holies to cleanse it instead.

Another group of Millerites was influenced by Joseph Bates, a retired sea captain, who in 1846 and 1849 issued pamphlets insisting that Christians observe the Jewish Sabbath—Saturday—instead of worshipping on Sunday. This helped feed the intense anti-Catholicism of Seventh-Day Adventism, since they blamed the Catholic Church for changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

These two streams of thought—Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary and the need to keep the Jewish Sabbath—were combined by White, who claimed to have received many visions confirming these doctrines. Together with Edson and Bates, she formed the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination, which officially received its name in 1860.

Today the denomination reports that it has 780,000 members in the United States and 7.8 million members elsewhere.

New General Revelations by Ellen White? Sounds like a pagan cult to me?

SDA, Mormons, and JW are nothing more than cults.