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Walk the Line

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Mike McK, Nov 18, 2005.

  1. standingfirminChrist

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    How God humbled the proud and gave grace to the humble. </font>[/QUOTE]God does not humble the proud. The Bible says God resisteth the proud and giveth grace to the humble. God will resist a proud person.
     
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    Where is God not? Again, seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear.
     
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    Who humbled Nebuchadnezzar?
     
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    Well, let's see. He's not in any of the songs that started his career or made him famous. I can't see that He was in Cash's abdication of the reponsibility to work and provide for his own. He wasn't in the fact that Johnny nurtured his lust for another woman, or in the fact that June Carter became his "savior."

    Possibly the worst thing in my and God's sight about this movie, is that the victim of his infidelities is one of the bad guys, but of course, we the audience must have a reason to justify Cash's adultery and love the "other woman" more than the one to which he owed his faith and his love.

    I understand Vivian Distin, the first Mrs. Johnny Cash, wrote a book that will be published next year.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060317/ap_en_ot/people_cash_book

    It will be interesting to see her take on the subject.
     
  5. Mike McK

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    Well, let's see. He's not in any of the songs that started his career or made him famous.</font>[/QUOTE]That's odd, since he was very well known for his Gospel sides and he was one of the first rock acts to do Gospel music. In fact, other than Elvis, I don't know who else did it at that time.

    If you had seen the film, you would have seen that the first several sides he cut for Sun were Gospel numbers.

    As someone who has made his living as a professional musician, I can tell you that it's more work than you'll ever do.

    Actually, Johnny was always very clear that Jesus was his savior and June was his "sparkplug".

    Actually, his wife was never made out to be a villain. She reacted as anyone would.

    Cash never fell in love with June because of anything Vivian did wrong, but because he was a very insecure person at that time, dealing with his father's rejection, his addictions and his seemingly endless list of failure in the "real world".

    Vivian wasn't a bad person, but couldn't give him the stability that he needed to turn himself around.

    Why not just save yourself some time and effort and go ahead and tell us now how she's going to Hell for marrying a rock star.

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    Hey, I already agreed that there was nothing that you could have learned. No need to keep trying to prove that point.
    Well, God and I saw it differently. We didn't see Vivian as the bad guy, but as yet another victim of Cash's pride.
     
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    I'm talking about the film. If I recall he was told that Gospel doesn't sell, and he was asked if he could choose any song to be remembered for before he died, what would it be. So he sang Folsom Prison Blues, and that's what started his career—according to the movie.

    It was obviously easier for him than being a good husband. Much more lucrative, too.

    I don't remember that in the movie.

    Do you see how easy it was for you to marginalize Vivian's wounds as a character defect? But that's what you were supposed to do.
     
  8. Mike McK

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    While it's true that Sam Phillips would not let him release a Gospel album, both of his Sun albums (the third was put together from B sides after he left for Columbia) included at least one Gospel song and what was the very first thing he recorded when Columbia bought his contract from Sun? A Gospel album!

    In fact, one of the only conditions he set for Columbia was that they let him record more Gospel music.

    That Sam Phillips didn't want him to do Gospel music doesn't mean that he didn't want to do Gospel music.

    And you really don't think that his addictions or the emotional problems he had at that time had anything to do with his inability to be a good husband?



    The quote was made after the time period portrayed in the film.


    Actually, I've said several times now that she can't be blamed for what happened and that I didn't think she came off as reacting any differently than any wife and mother who is afraid for her husand and frustrated by his behavior would.

    I don't see how that's marginalizing her wounds or assigning character flaws to her.

    If you can't read my posts, then no wonder you didn't get the movie.

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    You want to make this about the man. My comments are about the movie.

    It was simply an adulterous love story, and the only redeeming qualities you can come up for it are things that were not included.

    So, even if Johnny was a role model for our Sunday School children, the movie was bad because, as curtis said, it's a lie.
     
  10. Mike McK

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    Then you need to confine your comments to a movie review and not make them about the people involved. You also need to stop misrepresenting what I've said.

    Actually, the movie has several redeeming qualities. There's a difference between debunking your claims and not seeing any redeeming qualities.

    Several of us have noted historical problems with the movie, but although some liberties are taken with some events, it is still more or less accurate.

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    My comments were about the characters as portrayed in the movie. If the actual people are sorely misrepresented, it was a bad movie.

    I didn't, and any wife who has been cheated on will agree with me. You don't know what you're saying, and your analysis of her situation is lacking in insight.

    But then, I'm looking at it from God's point of view...

    When the central theme and the resolution of the conflict are antithetical to the commands of Christ, then it can't be redeemed.

    Then though I've limited my comments to the characters in the movie, they are also more or less accurate of John and June the people.
     
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    In the store today, I saw a documentary about Johnny Cash on DVD. The cover said that this was a "revealing documentary about 'The Man in Black' as told by special friends, including Waylon Jennings, Jerry Lee Lewis, Kris Kristoferson, Billy Bob Thornton, Marty Stuart and Rodney Crowell."

    It's called Half Mile A Day and came with a more brief documentary called Johnny Cash: The Anthology.

    Knowing the spiritual calibre of the "special friends" listed, I was sure there was something the movie version must have been perverting. So I bought it, and devoted three hours of the time that God allotted me on this earth to watch it.

    Though there is some, oh-so-brief lip service paid to Johnny's professed faith, it's as I said earlier. The songs that started his career and made him famous and paid his bills, had nothing to do with God or spirituality.
     
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    Actually, you did. You said that I "marginalized her wounds" and treated them as a "character defect", when the truth is that I never did any such thing.

    In fact, as you well know, I said that she reacted as any wife who was afraid for and frustrated by her husband would react, and that the blame lay on Johnny and his demons, not her. I was very clear, Aaron, that she did not do anything to facilitate their problems.

    No, actually, my analysis is pretty much dead on.

    You can continue to lie as you usually do and try to paint me as being unsympathetic to Vivian, but the bottom line is that my words saying that she did the best she could under difficult circumstances and that the breakup of their marriage was not her fault, are there for all to see.



    Only if you believe that God is a lying idiot.
     
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    And since his first two albums contained one and two Gospel songs, respectively, and his third album was a Gospel album, I would have to disagree.

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    I finally got around to seeing this movie and we thoroughly enjoyed it! I can't believe how good the actor playing Cash did. Wow! [​IMG]
     
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    Seeing that Jesus was only able to reach one Pharisee while he walked this earth Mike McK, I truly respect how gentle you have been with Aaron. Pharisees have their own method, their own agenda, and their own theology! And I am glad that my righteousness doesn't surpass theirs, but my Jesus' does, and His has been imputed to me! Keep up the good work Mike...I enjoy reading your posts...and your vast collection of musical taste!

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  17. Mike McK

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    Thanks. I look forward to seeing you around the music forums more often.

    Mike

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    I rented the movie again, and watched it with all these posts in mind.

    Very well acted & performed. Some inaccuracies & omissions.

    For example, did you know the part in the movie where the tractor got stuck ? Well, that happened, but the incident started a huge forest fire, and Uncle Sam fined him $85,000. Why was that incident changed ? It bugs me. ($85,000 was a lot of money, even for him, back then)

    I still love the man's music. I sang "Train of Love" at a gig on Saturday, the crowd loved it.
     
  19. Mike McK

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    Curtis, those were two different incidences.

    The fire was in Los Padres National Park out in California.

    Seems Johnny rented a camper and went out into the woods to get high. The fire started when a defective exhaust set some leaves on fire. This was back in 1965, which I believe was before he owned the house in Hendersonville.

    Just so you know, I'm not really so insane that I've committed these things to memory. I just saw this on A&E's Biography the other night.

    I do likw "Train of Love", although I can't seem to get "Ways of a Woman in Love" out of my head now.

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    Ok. I know it was the same year he was busted for smuggling amphetamine.

    On another note, I'll bet the Folsom warden was sweating bullets when Johnny sang "Cocaine Blues" to the inmates.
     
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