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War After Weary War?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by KenH, Oct 30, 2003.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Actually, church mouse guy, since World War II libertarians have been influential in the Republican Party. Libertarians were well represented in Barry Goldwater's campaign and Ronald Reagan's campaigns and administrations.

    If those of us who are libertarians and voted for George W. Bush in 2000 desert him because of his liberal domestic policies and foreign adventurism(which I will do), and the Christian Zionists who voted for him in 2000 desert him because of the "Road Map"(as apparently SheEagle will do), then in a close election Mr. Bush could be in one big heap of trouble.

    Also, in reading around the Internet, there are some libertarians who voted for Mr. Bush in 2000 who might end up voting for the Democrat nominee. That would hurt Mr. Bush's re-election chances even more. I thought about doing that myself over several weeks because of my extreme disappointment with President Bush's big government liberalism and neo-con foreign policy but in the final analysis I just cannot bring myself to do so. Hopefully, simply withholding my vote from Mr. Bush by voting for a second party candidate(most likely Libertarian) will be a sufficient effort on my part to do what I can to help in his defeat.
     
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    Somehow I can't see Barry Goldwater smoking a joint. :cool:
     
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Will you anti-freedom people get off this one trick pony about drug legalization? It's one of hundreds of federal issues.

    Do you people not care that over half of your money is taken by all levels of government - courtesy of the Demopublicans?

    Do you people not care that your children and especially your grandchildren are going to be in the poor house and be totally enslaved economically to the government if we keep running $500-600 billion yearly deficits and don't solve the upcoming Social Security and Medicare train wrecks with free market solutions - train wrecks courtesy of the Demopublicans?

    These are issues that will affect all Americans, not just a 4 million or so who have a problem with dope. And if the Demopublicans would have enough sense to take the huge profits out of illegal drugs that benefit only the drug lords, then the problem of drugs would be much more managable as money could be used for treatment instead of to simply lock drug users up.

    You people are straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel. No wonder the country is in the shape it is fiscally. You voted to make it this way by all of these decades of voting for Demopublicans.
     
  4. The Galatian

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    As usual, Barry had an observation that puts it in perspective:

    "In the rush to cure all the ills to which humans are heir, liberty is too often an innocent bystander -- and an accidental casualty." --Barry Goldwater, 1964

    They don't make conservatives like Goldwater any more.
     
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    The Democrats told us in 1964 that if we voted for Barry Goldwater, there would be a war in Viet Nam. Well, I voted for Barry Goldwater anyway, and, sure enough, there was a war in Viet Nam.
     
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    I did not realize I had this obsession to gain power! :eek: My point is that neither the GOP, Democrats, Libertarians have a corner on morality. We all have rotten eggs. There are people in the Libertarian I am not comfortable with and that was true when I was GOP. You have no moral high ground.


    The Libetarians are critics of both the Democrats and the GOP. We have no alliance with the Big government socialist ideas of the Democrats. Libertarians overall probably have more in common with traditional Conservatives in the GOP like William F. Buckley, Joe Scarborough.

    Many self-respecting Republicans make the same attacks on the GOP all the time. Does Alan Keyes come to mind? Ron Paul? Most new converts to the Libertarian party from what I read are Republicans. This is probably because Libertarians and traditional Conservatives agree more on the role of government. Democrats believe government should hold a bigger role in society than Libertarians and traditional conservatives. Unfortunately the GOP has moved more toward the Democrat position over the years.

    What discarded Democratic ideas? States Rights? Individual rights? which Democrats held too over a hundred years ago. That is funny since the Democrats often accuse Libertarians of being in an alliance with the GOP. In fairness in state and local elections probably most Libertarians do vote for a GOP candidate 80-90% of the time because of common ideas on the role of government.

    Give the Democrats a pass? :eek: That is funny. Do you ever read Libertarian writers such as Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Michelle Malkin? Do they give Democrats a pass? What about Roy Innis who founded C.O.R.E? who is a vehement critic of the NAACP. Libertarians have been strong defenders of the NRA. Does that sound like the Democrats?

    Do you ever visit Neil Boortz site? He is good friends with Rush Limbaugh and promotes Ann Coulter's books. Boortz has basically said the GOP is a bunch of wimps and the Democrats are out to destroy America.

    Have you visted Matt Drudge's site? Yes, he is a Libertarian. He is probably second only to Rush as the most hated man among Democrats.

    Cheap shots. Do you want us to bring up Ted Nugent?
     
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    By all means bring up Mr Ted Nugent the "Kill IT And Grill It" man. My Hero! :D
     
  8. The Galatian

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    Actually, I kind of like Nugent's attitude. He's living his life his way. Of course, he feels the need to disparage anyone else living life their way, but that's part of being rightwing, it's not a personal character flaw. Perfectly normal for such people to celebrate freedom, except for those who disagree with them.
     
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    That's a very good reason why I did not and would not feel comfortable in the Republican Party.
     
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    Will you anti-freedom people get off this one trick pony about drug legalization? It's one of hundreds of federal issues.

    Do you people not care that over half of your money is taken by all levels of government - courtesy of the Demopublicans?...

    </font>[/QUOTE]Ken, I think this is probably the biggest tactical problem that the Libertarians have.

    It's frustrating, because as you point out, it gets blown way out of proportion. Unfortunately, I think that there is a small element of the Libertarin Party made up of folks who don't belong there...who are simply looking for sanction of their sins. I don't know what to suggest doing about it, but it surely would be a big step forward if it could be fixed or improved.

    I am able to overlook it, because no party is perfect. The abortion issue is a far bigger issue that holds me from the Libertarians, although in individual cases I do vote for pro-life Libertarians, and in fact have worked for thier campaigns. [​IMG]

    Note to Republicans...please don't seize on my "no party is perfect" comment...the Republicans and Democrats, far from being perfect, are in fact heading entirely in the wrong direction. Perfection doesn't even show on the horizon for them.
     
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