Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders

I sure am glad the Christians that were hanging out with me when I was living in sin didn't think the way you do. I may not have had a heart change. by the way have you been hanging with RW and his gay friends to even know what they are talking about. I'm not a big fan of his either but I will give him the benafit of doubt, and let God do the rest.

 

I think the issue is if the people are professing Christians and openly endorsing the gay lifestyle; if that were the case, there would be a problem. We don't know when RW says "gay friends" whom he means - unbelievers or those professing to be believers, and there are many of the latter around - more and more. If they are unbelievers or not professing to be Christian, there is nothing unbiblical about having them as friends.

But if they are professing to be Christian, that's another can of worms.

 

By the same token, what is the difference between a friend who is a pedophile, or one who gets drunk and beats his wife and kids, and the friend who lies on his resume?

On second thought, don't answer that. You stretch the bounds of credulity in your irrational defenses of one who is simply and obviously flip-flopping to gain the approbation of Washington and the media.

 

Good point Aaron.

Roy

 

Now we are back to the basics. What exactly was it that the media miscontrued?

 

I've been through 2 purpose-driven seminars, which doesn't give me diety status, but some things about Rick Warren appeared troubling. In one ten-minute presentation he will quote scripture from multiple Bible versions, and you know that each one can't possibly be God's word. It would make anyone suspect deceptiveness. He did the same thing recently in his Easter message on Fox TV.

Being silent is not always a good plan. (I guess you know the fable of the Emperor's New Clothes) I was in a church once where the preacher seemed so phony and many congregants felt that way, but we all just thought it was just us and not him. Anyway his free-spending and "trust the Lord for the increase" attitude put the church seriously in debt, and finally he left his wife for one of the "Mary Kay" ladies in the church. Today there is a parking lot where the church used to be.

Actually, I am pretty silent most of the time.

Roy

 

That is a fact, not a claim, not an opinion, its a fact.

I never said that. Provide for me an example of one that Christ was with, other than Judas who was living in sin. Judas was not living in sin, he did not do things out in the open for the world to see. But, give me an example of another person Christ came into contact with and held a relationship with that was living an openly sinful life.

Keep trying........

Is there a slight chance that God knew what He was doing when He selected Judas to follow Him? Is there any chance that we can get more from the life of Judas than just the fact that he betrayed Christ?

Why do Christians put up such a fight to justify why they have relationships with people openly living in sin?

 

Thanks for sharing......

Good point, giving people the benefit of the doubt and giving them the opportunity to explain their actions is the best solution. Except, upon explaining his actions he can see clearly that he is offending his gay friends as well as the patrons of his building, therefore he has to straddle the fence, and is simply becomming, not hot nor cold. He doesn't want to lose his position as Preacher Gawd Man, so he has to please everyone he is around. Perhaps not even explaining their actions is best, and just leave it God's hands, because we have no responsibility in this area. Judge not, right?

 

Who said otherwise?

Christians like to say, well Christ hung out with sinners, that's who He was friends with. No, He did not "hang out" nor have "friends" who were living openly in sin. Sorry.

 

He picks what scripture agrees with HIM most, that's why he uses multiple translations and versions and paraphrase "bibles". It is easier to adjust scripture to fit your message than adjust your message to fit scripture.

 

I provided one, which refutes your point. Case closed.

It was only a matter of time before this turned into a KJVO argument...

 

Odd, I didn't mention KJV, nor have I argued that at all, cute though and expected.

Judas was not living in sin. So your example, does not satisfy the request, you cannot produce the request, therefore your have nothing. Case closed.

 

Yet, as someone else already posted, the scriptures refer to Him as the "friend of sinners".


:godisgood:

 

Really? He wasnt' living in sin? Was he living in righteousness?

 

I would certainly be willing to give RW a chance to clarify his statements.

Perhaps he should have used the word gay "associates" or "acquaintances" since "friend" is so subjective a term.

If he did that and openly admits (perhaps) that he might have used the wrongs words here and there or even came out and said (perhaps) that he was condescending to worldly friends and recapitulated then most who were offended would probably be satisfied.

Even if he is at fault, I don't believe it's the best path to publically verbally flog him.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.​

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