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Was Ike Talking About the Tea Party?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Crabtownboy, Nov 11, 2010.

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  1. rbell

    rbell Active Member

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    I apologize for the "satan" comment.

    I do, however, stand by my assertion that you blame pratically everything wrong in the past decade on Bush. Unfairly so, IMO.
     
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  2. Bro. Curtis

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    You remember that. I will.
     
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    We all have our own agendas, beliefs, faults, and mistakes here on this board. It seems to me that a lot of you all take pleasure in pouncing on 'Crabby'. I guess the history goes back before my time, but for the Lord's sake, give him a break. I haven't seen anything evil or twisted in him. I happen to appreciate his posts, even if I may not agree with his left of center perspective.

    We need the balance.
     
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  4. Robert Snow

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    False! The treatment of workers at the end of the 19th century had a big part in the formation of unions.
     
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  5. targus

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    Yes - but it is just as true as the claim that the Tea Party is the grandchild of the John Birch Society.

    That loud whooooooosssssss sound was the point going over your head. :laugh:
     
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    the government started to give money to people who did not earn it. Yes, it might seem nice to be helpful - but now we are into 5 & 6 generations of welfare.

    My solution - churches and social agcys should be taking care of the poor, - with very minimum govt interference. and family should help out family members.
    For example, a rescues mission may only have 30 beds, but if 50 show up, they have to turn away the last 20.

    A church in DC was told that helping the poor was not the mission of the church
    (I heard this a long time ago, I do not have a current reference for it.

    Further - when a church does help a family out, it should not only be food and $$, but assistance to help the family get out of it straights. For example, the deacons should get involved and find out why there is not sufficient $$. do they not budget, do they spend only for wants, do they eat out too much, ect...

    1. You don't work - you don't eat
    -II Thes 3:10
    2. Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
    (I believe it was) -Confucius.

    Salty
     
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    ***Moderator note: Baptist Board members are titled to post in a reasonable manner exemplifying Christian conduct toward fellow believers----your post is not well taken!!***
     
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  8. Robert Snow

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    Hello sheriff.
     
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  9. Robert Snow

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    Wow! You have an opinion?

    Maybe others opinions differ from yours!
     
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  10. Crabtownboy

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    Thank you. I appreciate and accept your apology.

    He was president most of the last decade. As Harry Truman's sign on his desk said, "The Buck Stops Here." So I do not believe I am unfair. I was very much a Bush sympathizer when he entered office. That changes as he switched from what seemed reasonable ideas to those of the neoconservatives which, IMHO, were disastrous to the country. I am not at all convinced we will survive as a major world player because of the policies followed. And yet, we see many who say they want to return to those policies. It makes no sense to me.

    I believe that basically Bush was a well meaning person who was led astray by his advisers. But as he was president it is his ultimate responsibility for the policies put in place and actions taken. Thus when I criticize him I am also criticizing his entire administration and advisers. I do not consider him evil. I do consider him unfortunate. I do believe history will judge him harshly, but historians say it takes at least 100 years for a president to be judged neither your nor I will be around to see how history grades him.

    I am not enough of an economist to say if the bail out and fiscal policies of the last two years are good or bad. I'll have to wait to see the final results. During the downturn the Chinese government conducted a bailout of their own and it seems to have worked there.
     
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  11. targus

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    One does not need to be an economist to understand that all of this spending and new debt is not good for the ecomony.
     
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  12. Crabtownboy

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    Time will tell. Other government in Asia and Europe seem to disagree with you on this.


    The spending from 2000 to 2008 was not good either, but conservatives rubber stamped the policies. It was that spending that was one major factor in the mess we are now living with.
     
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  13. targus

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    Just because other countries are doing something doesn't make it a good thing to do.

    And time will tell - but if it truly was the wrong thing to do it will be a little late by then don't you think?

    And how much time are you willing to give it? How many years?

    Would you support another trillion of deficit spending and new debt to try it again?


    I agree that the spending under Bush was bad - but that is no reason to double down on it now.

    If something you are doing is harmful you don't redouble your efforts - you stop.
     
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  14. rbell

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    -OK, common ground then...I believe he was well-meaning as well. And I had little use for many of his advisors (particularly financial).

    But you conveniently leave out the enormous role that Congress (particularly democrats) played in what happened.

    THen it would seem you're jumping the gun with some of your comments.

    And speak for yourself. I plan on living 200 years. Who else is gonna antagonize Robert Snow IV, and Crabby's great-great-greats?

    When we begin to model our behavior after a repressive communist regime, we're all in trouble.

    Can you imagine Kennedy in 1960 saying, "We're gonna try this...it seemed to work for Kruschev in the Soviet Union"?
     
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  15. rbell

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    Wrong. Republicans rubber-stamped the policies.

    Big difference.

    BTW, Crabby, whatever font you used on this post is darn near unreadable. Please choose another one. I can't get angry at a post I can't read. :eek: :smilewinkgrin:
     
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  16. Crabtownboy

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    Is this font better? Hmmm, maybe I should stick with the other one.

    I guess I should have said Republicans ... but they did claim to be conservative and many still make that claim.

    I expect that for many the view is quite different once they are elected and find out what is really going on in our world. I believe that happens to people who are elected president and they are forced to move from the positions they said they held while campaigning. Of course some are not honest, but I'll give many the benefit of the doubt.

    Maybe marriage is a good analogy ... it soon looks much different after the wedding than it did before the knot was tied. :smilewinkgrin:

    I understand your example, but I do not believe it holds. China is not Communist, though they call themselves that. They are capitalistic with Communist lipstick with a lot of Confucianism thrown in. Those folk, the economic advisers, got their advanced degrees in the West and quite a few in the US. They are following closely the economic policies they learned in our graduate universities.
     
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  17. sag38

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    I started from the begninnig just few minutes ago and I have one observation. It's was very predictable but I'll point it out anyway.

    It didn't take Crabby very long to blame Bush.
     
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  18. John Toppass

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    Sounds like he could have been but then his last three words he starts talking about liberals.
     
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