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Featured Was Judas Born-Again and Then Lost?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Nov 21, 2021.

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  1. Aaron

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    Of course it does.

    But if you need more. Matthew 7:22-23 .
     
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    I saw #76. So what? How does your question answer a question.
    As to God using the unredeemed to accomplish his will...God does it all the time. God will empower antichrist to perform miracles. Is it odd that Judas also would go out among the disciples and perform miracles, yet still be unredeemed?
    sbg, you seem to force your personal imagination onto scripture and then not allow God to act outside of your prescription. You do this despite all others disagreeing with you. Note that not one person holds your view. That should be a big red flag for you. Why isn't it though? Why do you demand you be the only one who is correct while all others are wrong?
    I know the reason, but you wouldn't listen if I told you.
     
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    None of the 12 Disciples listed in Matthew 10:2-4 were "born anew" before Christ died!! Judas was never saved, born anew.
     
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    Judas was a devil. Son of Perdition, never was saved!
     
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    Jesus??? :eek:
     
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    Wrong! All the OT saints were saved before Jesus was born!!!
     
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    Dude you can't seem to understand the Scriptures :Geek
     
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    Wrong, Hebrews 11:39-40
     
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    meant Judas, corrected!
     
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    Saved due to the Cross yet to come!
     
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    All ever saved were under the new Covenant of grace, even during OT times!
     
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    In John 17, the Lord Jesus repeatedly declares that He has given eternal life to all those whom the Father has given Him *John 17:2 etc.). He goes on to pray that the Father would 'keep' them (John 17:11) through His name (i.e. His power).
    But in John 17:12, He says that 'none of them is lost except the son of perdition that the Scriptures might be fulfilled.' "The term 'son of perdition' is a Hebraism meaning 'one who is worthy of perdition' or only fit to be lost and cast away on account of his wickedness" (J.C. Ryle. See also 1 Samuel 26:16; Psalms 79:11; Ephesians 2:3). We know that Judas was wicked (John 12:6) and that our Lord had previously called him 'a devil.' I don't see how it could be supposed that he was regenerate at any point.
    Now does 'that the Scriptures might be fulfilled' refer to Judas? Opinions differ, but it might be a reference to Psalms 41:9 and Psalms 55:12-15, 20. If so then verse 15 may speak of Judas' fate.
     
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    Interesting that Judas seems to be the only one that had satan himself possess him to betray Jesus, not a mere demon!
     
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    the Greek is διάβολος, false accuser

    None of what you say deals with the passages in the OP, which clearly shows that Judas must have been saved, for him to do exactly what the other 11 did, including the preaching of the Gospel for salvation!
     
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    I doubt very much that satan liteally entered Judas, if he did, then he could not have been anywhere else!
     
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    really, you mean that none of the OT Saints were saved? Complete rubbish.

    Hebrews 9:15

    Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
     
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    Luke stated to us that he did!
     
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    sbg, all who disagree with you understand scriptures. You are on an island, fighting against all and telling everyone they are wrong. What this means is you are being very prideful.
     
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    no he does not! It is exactly as it is in Acts 5:3

    "But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the price of the land?"
     
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    thanks for your input...have a great day!
     
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