Was Mary a Biological Mother or a Surrogate Mother for Jesus?

If you read my post, you could have understood the importance of Blemish and Spotless personality.

Eve's egg didn't have the faults until her FALL. She was deceived first ( 1 Tim 2:14).
However, after the Sin entered the world, everyone has become defective in many ways,and no human being has been free of defects or spots.

YOu should have read some of my posts before. I already explained the misunderstanding by many people about the Almighty God, about the Omnipotent God. They misunderstand there is nothing that God cannot do.

However, there are several things that God cannot do.

God cannot accept the sinners into Heaven, cannot forgive the sins without punishing them, cannot forgive the sinners who chose not to believe the Redeemer Jesus Christ, cannot force and torture the sinners to believe what Jesus has done because it contradicts His lovingkindness and longsuffering, etc.

The important attribute of God is that He cannot forgive the sinners and sins without punishing them. That's why Jesus Christ came into this world, so that He may be punished on our behalf at the Cross.
If God can make the ovums perfect, then He can make the Sperms perfect as well, then Jesus didn't have to suffer the terrible and painful death at the Cross.
Then why did God send His beloved Son to suffer the most painful and shameful death at the Cross?

Jesus gave us the answer. He prayed a lot at the Gethshemane, praying with bloodlike sweats, and confirmed His absolute obedience to the Father and confirmed that THERE WAS NTHER WAY than His own dying at the Cross. Therefore He went to the Calvary bravely,and won the victory at the Cross when He cried " IT IS FINISHED"

There was no way other than the Cross.

If God could have perfected ovums and sperms which do not know repent and believe in the Redeemer, why didn't God use such method since the Fall of human beings?

You have not thought about this kind of fundamental problems, I am sure, and therefore you are brave to claim the Biological Motherhood.

 

Word became Flesh ( John 1:14)

Biological Motherhood cannot be compatible with the Incarnation " Word became Flesh" because Biological Motherhood means the ovum of Mary became the flesh of Jesus, which means Flesh became Flesh.

Word became Flesh, which is the fundamental and unique Truth of Christianity.

Please explain your theory always in connection with Word became Flesh.

 

Brother Bob,

Please approach this matter as the Berean approach ( Acts 17:11)

If you deeply consider this matter, it is very much crystal clear that Biological motherhood cannot stand.

It seems that you didn't check the previous posts and arguments very much before you participate in this debate.

Shortly speaking, the Bible verses which support the Surrogate motherhood are as follows:

1. John 1:14

2. Hebrews 7:1-5 Son of God had no earthly father, no mother.

3. Hebrews 10:5-9 Body was prepared by God

4. Hebrews 1:5 God gave birth to the Son

5. John 1:3 - In Him there was Life

6. Genesis 18:1-15 God appeared to Abraham in flesh, washed the feet, ate the butter and meat, ate the bread spoke with the human being, with Sarah and Abraham. The same God is Jesus Christ.

7. God appeared to Jacob and wrestled with him and spoke with him saying " I am God of Bethel" ( Gen 31:13- Gen 32) God appeared in flesh.

8. 1 Cor 15 45-50 the first Adam was from the earth, and the second Adam was from above, which means the Second Adam didn't belong to the first Adam while Mary belongs to the first Adam.

9. The sacrifice should have been spotless and blemish 1 Peter 1:19

10. Job 25:4 ( indirect reference)

11. Matthew 1:20 which uses genao verb for conceive since Genao verb used mostly Begat, begotten. In other words, before He came out of Mary, Jesus was already born by Holy Spirit as a perfecgt human being.

12. Galatians 3:28- which denies the importance of the biological bloodline.

13. John 8:56-8 which explains that Jesus identifies Himself as the same person who saw Abraham.

 

1. having sin nature and comitting sin is different issue. Infants may have not committed sins, but they contain the sin natures.

2. I mentioned Jesus was the one who wrestled with Jacob. Bible says Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ better than all the treasure of Egypt. The same person didn't need any sin-stricken flesh, but He could bring the same- the second Adam's flesh for Himself. Jesus is the One who created the universe from NOTHING. He created the world by Word. He could create a new, blemish and spotless flesh by Word Himself and the Life was in Him too.

3. I don't think anyone lived sinlessly except Jesus Christ, on this world. Therefore John was not sinless.

 

It seems that you believe in 2 Jesus, not me.

Jesus Christ who created all the Earth and universe from nothing by Word, could create His own flesh by Word too, without need of the sin stricken flesh from the sinner woman.

The big misunderstanding is repeated by you again and again, that God can not create another, second Adam, another human being. The second Adam is still human being, the divine Jesus Christ with the full humanity. He still came thru David's family, which is even more honor to them than the biological motherhood.

 

I am sure the belief of the egg fertilization is strongly connected with Babylonian goddess worship, Ishtar worship.

http://www.goddessgift.com/pandora's_box/easter-history.htm

http://www.blessedquietness.com/Web Pages Saved/whoreofbabylon.htm

No pagan believers claimed the Word became Flesh simply. Christianity is simple.

Word became Flesh. ( John 1:14)

The God who created Universe from Nothing only by Word, created His own body and launched Himself in the womb of Mary