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Wasn't Christ's Atoning Work Enough?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Lou Martuneac, Aug 12, 2008.

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  1. Lou Martuneac

    Lou Martuneac New Member

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    In the meantime...

    Since Christ's atoning work satisfied God, why does LS call on the lost for a promise to perform the God ordained "good works" (Eph. 2:10) that should be the natural result of salvation?
     
    #21 Lou Martuneac, Aug 13, 2008
  2. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    IMO, can you please answer the question directly in this thread that you started. What you wrote raises serious questions. You claim that the LS teaching misleads, distorts, and is a non-saving Gospel. So please just answer the question concerning what you wrote and leave the personal comments about me out of the discussion.
     
    #22 ReformedBaptist, Aug 13, 2008
  3. Revmitchell

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    I have clearly shown it is.
     
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    It doesn't. It only does in your mind.
     
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    I don't recall Lou saying anything of the sort. John Mac is not named Lorship Salvation. This is a non sequitur.
     
    #25 webdog, Aug 13, 2008
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    The misleading factor is stating "this folly is debunked".
     
    #26 webdog, Aug 13, 2008
  7. ReformedBaptist

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    Does any advocate of this position have the courage to answer this question: Are those who then teach the LS position or have believed in God through the message are themsleves not saved? I will take by your silence the answer is yes but are either afraid or unwilling to admit it.
     
    #27 ReformedBaptist, Aug 13, 2008
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    The silence is "Thundering" as has been said. :laugh:
     
    #28 Revmitchell, Aug 13, 2008
  9. TCGreek

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    Lou, thanks for the clarification. I always thought that you were objecting to his LS works and not his salvation.
     
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  10. ReformedBaptist

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    What is one to think when reading this then?
     
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  11. TCGreek

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    RB, Are you saying then that Lou has questioned the salvation of John MacArthur?
     
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  12. ReformedBaptist

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    I am saying that that is the implication. So I asked for clarification.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
    #33 TCGreek, Aug 13, 2008
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    Although you finally said that MacArthur is a saved man you raised questions about the honesty of that claim.

    Earlier someone in the comment section said that he/she "doubt[ed] his [JM's]salvation". This person then compared MacArthur's latest book to Richard Dawkin's book :"The God Delusion". In response to that post you said "I agree with all you wrote." Which is it Lou? Do you agree with your commentator or not?[/quote]

    Lou,please respond.
     
    #34 Rippon, Aug 13, 2008
  15. Lou Martuneac

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    Rippon:

    Which part of my clarifying note did you not understand? Or are you trying to create another personality clash?

    I am moving back to the subject.


    LM
     
    #35 Lou Martuneac, Aug 13, 2008
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    What I am dealing with is why, is Jesus paid it all, does LS call on the lost for commitment to the God ordained "good works" (Eph. 2:10) expected of a mature disciple of Christ FOR salvation, to become a Christian?

    Why is Lordship’s “salvation (only) for those who are willing to forsake everything?” Why must the lost come to Christ for salvation with a whole-hearted commitment to deny-self, bear the cross and follow Christ to death if necessary?

    Is God not satisfied with the finished work of Jesus Christ? Is God not satisfied with His Son’s propitiation for the sins of the whole world? Is God is not satisfied with Christ’s atoning work?

    Of course God is satisfied. So, why does LS add what man must bring to God for salvation when Jesus paid it all?

    Lordship Salvation is a corruption of “the simplicity that is in Christ.” Lordship Salvation is a man-centered, non-saving message that is antithetical to the biblical plan of salvation. Lordship Salvation frustrates grace (Gal. 2:21).

    LM
     
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  17. ReformedBaptist

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    Lou,

    Why are you ignoring my replies to you? My understanding is that the BB is a discussion forum. If you have a reason for ignoring, so be it. Otherwise, what your doing looks like your proselytizing.
     
    #37 ReformedBaptist, Aug 13, 2008
  18. Lou Martuneac

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    Thanks, what LS men are teaching has always and ONLY been my concern. I will continue to defend what I believe is JM being a geuine, born again Christian. He has simply lost his balance on the theology of the Gospel. A serious loss of balance.


    LM
     
    #38 Lou Martuneac, Aug 13, 2008
  19. Lou Martuneac

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    When you or any man dodges the obvious meaning and intent of questions I put to them, they, in this case, you lose the privilege to expect me to interact with you on your terms.


    LM
     
    #39 Lou Martuneac, Aug 13, 2008
  20. ReformedBaptist

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    I beg your pardon sir, but I answered your question pointedly and directly. Perhaps you didn't like the response or it wasn't to your liking, but I re-phrased your question (making it personal to me), gave it a straightforward answer, and then added some comment. You insist on this false accusation, which I call you out publically on. You have sinned against me in this manner.
     
    #40 ReformedBaptist, Aug 13, 2008
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