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Wasted votes

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Oct 14, 2004.

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  1. Voting for a major party candidate even if you don't believe in him/her.

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  2. Voting for a candidate you believe in who has "no chance" of winning.

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  3. There is no wasted vote.

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  4. Not voting or no opinion.

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    This is the key - I would not have voted for George Bush even if he had been running unopposed.
     
  2. steveo

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    Thats the problem.
    There is a guy named Kerry running ;)
     
  3. JGrubbs

    JGrubbs New Member

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    "In 1992 and 1996 the problem was Clinton, in 2000 the problem was Gore, in 2004 the problem is Kerry, in 2008 the problem will be Clinton."

    I would rather vote for what is right, than vote against what I fear!
     
  4. tragic_pizza

    tragic_pizza New Member

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    *sigh* A vote for Bush is a sin? That's an incredibly Pharaisical view of others' convictions, now, isn't it? You believe that you know what is right, and everyone who doesn't conform to your view of right is evil.

    I don't even know where to start on this.
     
  5. Bro. Curtis

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    I guess my bible omitted the gospel of Terry.
     
  6. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

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    I think that Terry probably meant that either Bush or Kerry will continue to promote the homosexual agenda and allow abortion to continue unrestricted, as well as being horrible stewards of our tax money.

    To that extent, the evidence is strongly in his favor.
     
  7. ballfan

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    Voting for Peroutka is a wasted vote. He is not a serious candidate. He has not run a serious campaign. Four years from now he won't even be on the scene.
     
  8. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Maybe or maybe not. But four years from now, Bush or Kerry will not have done a thing to stop abortion, and will have driven us further down the road to socialism and fiscal destruction.
     
  9. JGrubbs

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    ballfan, what evidence do you have to back up your accusations that Peroutka is not a serious candidate and that he has not ran a serious campaign? Or are you simply speaking out of hatred for Peroutka and those who oppose Bush?

    A quick WHOIS search shows that Peroutka is keeping the possibility of 2008 open:
    http://www.whois.sc/peroutka2008.com
     
  10. Debby in Philly

    Debby in Philly Active Member

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    No matter what any of us think about "voting our conscience," the FACT of the matter is, one of two things WILL happen:

    1. Bush will remain president
    2. Kerry will be elected to take his place.

    That being true (and it is), which of the two would you rather have? If you know the answer to that question, then that is who you should vote for. A vote for anyone else will more than likely skew the results in a way that you would not like.

    That's a fact.
     
  11. Pete

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    3: Unless enough people vote for someone else [​IMG]
     
  12. tragic_pizza

    tragic_pizza New Member

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    How many times has that happened in recent history, Pete?
     
  13. JGrubbs

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    If everyone is given a dollar to give away, who would you give yours to? Let’s narrow down the choices to three options.

    First is an abortion clinic. They provide abortions to anyone and everyone, and take pride in that. They want your dollar to make abortions available and keep them available.

    The second option is a “Christian” health clinic that provides abortions, but tries to hide that fact from people in order to get more donations from Christians. This organization explains to its concerned Christian donors that although, in fact, they do provide abortions that they don’t kill near as many babies as the first group does. And they promise that if they receive enough dollars, they will put the first organization out of business, so that we can rest easy knowing that only a few thousand babies are being killed each year with the dollars we gave them.

    And the third option is a small but committed organization that does not provide abortions, never will provide abortions, and once they get enough money they will outlaw abortion across the nation. In fact they go as far to publicly state that God doesn’t want Christians to perform or fund abortions. They promise that your dollar will not be used in any way to support abortions.

    Who would you give your dollar to? Would it matter that the third option doesn’t get much support? Should we support option two, and use our dollars to kill a few babies, in order to keep option one from killing more babies? (Proponents of this strategy would likely deride those who supported option three by saying “Don’t Waste Your Dollar!” and “A Dollar For Three Is A Dollar For One!” or some other such nonsense).

    Source: http://degenhart.us/blog/index.php?p=13
     
  14. Pete

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    tragic_pizza, I'm optimistic now and then [​IMG]

    JGrubbs [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  15. ballfan

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    ballfan, what evidence do you have to back up your accusations that Peroutka is not a serious candidate and that he has not ran a serious campaign? Or are you simply speaking out of hatred for Peroutka and those who oppose Bush?

    A quick WHOIS search shows that Peroutka is keeping the possibility of 2008 open:
    http://www.whois.sc/peroutka2008.com
    </font>[/QUOTE]All you have to do is open your eyes and look around. Pertoutka almost doesn't exist. He's not made any real effort. If he had he would be up to at least one percent of the vote. He needs to prove he's something more than a ghost.

    On this board I once asked for some information on him as a person. Very little exists you know. I wanted to see a little history on him. He doesn't provide any. I was told "write him and ask". You don't have to do that with a serious candidate. He provides it without being asked.
     
  16. JGrubbs

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    You can't say that a candidate is not a serious candidate simply because you are ignorant about the difficulty that third-party candidates face in our "free" nation. I can't understand the pragmatic mentality that says, unless a candidate has millions and is willing to spend millions of the taxpayers money then they are not serious.

    Peroutka does exist, and there are thousands of voters who supported Bush in 2000 who will be voting for Peroutka in November. Just because you haven't heard of him, and haven't taken the time to research the candidate doesn't mean he isn't there and isn't serious.

    About Michael Anthony Peroutka
    Michael Anthony Peroutka, a graduate of Loyola College in Maryland and the University of Baltimore School of Law, is Chairman of the Constitution Party of Maryland and a member of the Executive Committee of the Constitution Party National Committee.

    Michael and his wife, Diane, live in Millersville, Maryland with their three children, Elizabeth, Timothy and Patrick.

    Founder of The Institute on the Constitution, a nation-wide program teaching the principles incorporated in the Declaration of Independence and the U. S. Constitution, Michael has, for 18 years, been a partner with his brother Stephen in the Pasadena, Maryland law firm of Peroutka & Peroutka. Inspired by his parents, Anthony and Elizabeth Peroutka, Michael was called to public service at an early age, providing leadership in support of the right to life, the right to keep and bear arms, and other Constitutional causes. Michael resigned from a position with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services when he recognized that none of the programs on which he was working were Constitutionally permissible.

    Michael also serves on the Board of Trustees of The Conservative Caucus Research, Analysis & Education Foundation.
     
  17. tragic_pizza

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    Based upon what, exactly?
     
  18. Pennsylvania Jim

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    That's not a fact.

    I will vote for the only candidate who represents my viewpoint. A vote for anyone else only helps to elect someone who does not.

    If I were trapped, as you are, with a choice between two horrible candidates, I would choose Kerry as the lesser evil. His ideas are horrible, but the GOP congress would stop much of his agenda; Bush's agenda is nearly the same, and we can see that he can implement it with the help of congress.

    But I'm free from all of that, and thank God that He has raised up a good Christian man who takes a firm stand for Godly, Constitutional government. I will happily vote for him, and leave the results in God's sovereign hands.
     
  19. ballfan

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    See thats just what I'm saying. I thought there were two other children in that household but this doesn't mention them/
     
  20. tragic_pizza

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    Number of places I've heard of the Constitution Party: 2, both message boards.

    Number of places I've heard of Peroutka: One. Here, and by people who are snitty about it.
     
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