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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Brother James, Oct 28, 2005.

  1. Brother James

    Brother James New Member

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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul283.html

    Ron Paul gives sound advice as usual:

    Before the US House of Representatives, October 26, 2005

    We have been warned. Prepare for a broader war in the Middle East, as plans are being laid for the next U.S.-led regime change – in Syria. A UN report on the death of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafig Hariri elicited this comment from a senior U.S. policy maker: “Out of tragedy comes an extraordinary strategic opportunity.” This statement reflects the continued neo-conservative, Machiavellian influence on our foreign policy. The “opportunity” refers to the long-held neo-conservative plan for regime change in Syria, similar to what was carried out in Iraq.
     
  2. Daisy

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    We can't afford it. Maybe we could goad the UN or Iran into a war, but we haven't got the funds to do it ourselves. With our two ongoing wars, disaster relief for Katrina & Wilma and our impending tax cuts, we are six feet over our heads in debt already.
     
  3. Brother James

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    Although I would agree with you that we can't afford it, the Bush administration has shown that huge, record deficet spending means nothing to them.
     
  4. Daisy

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    True but the House Ways & Mean Committee's FY 2006 proposed budget makes drastic cuts in agriculture subsidies (food stamps) and social programs (child support enforcement, SSI, foster care, medicare, state healthcare, etc) while not touching the impending 2006 taxcuts for the wealthy - good news of the libertarians.

    Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (linkie)

    (btw - sorry about the late edit on my previous post)
     
  5. Brother James

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    Proposing it and passing it are two different things.
     
  6. Bunyon

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    "True but the House Ways & Mean Committee's FY 2006 proposed budget makes drastic cuts in agriculture subsidies (food stamps) and social programs (child support enforcement, SSI, foster care, medicare, state healthcare, etc) while not touching the impending 2006 taxcuts for the wealthy - good news of the libertarians"----------------------------------------------------------

    Thses things should be cut. Welfare, far outstrips any other category of US spending. In fact it outstrips any other kind of spending by any nation ever at anytime.
     
  7. Brother James

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    While I agree that these things need to be cut, they pale in comparison to defence spending. We have a 450 billion dollar a year budget there. It's aproximately one and one half times the rest of the world combined.
     
  8. Bunyon

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    Are you sure BJ? My understanding is if you combine all the varied give away programs, the money spent is much greater than the money spent on defence. Besides, with two massive bulidings knocked down and atomic bombs floating around out there, defense spending will not be cut anytime soon.
     
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    If you toss in corporate welfare, special laws favoring some industries, etc. then the total cost probably exceeds the defense budget of about $450 billion.

    But if you count what has been traditionally considered welfare, i.e. aid to the poor, medicare, aid to dependent children, etc. , then it's not even close to the defense budget.

    Some people toss in Social Security, but since people pay for their benefits by contributions, it's an insurance program.

    We could wring a lot of money out of the budget. Granted, I think it's cool to have a Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, but I don't agree with Dubya that the taxpayers should fund it.

    On the other hand, I think he went too far when he tried to save a few bucks by cutting the combat separation pay of our troops in Iraq.

    Just my opinion.
     
  10. Baptist in Richmond

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    What is the source for that information?

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    PNAC told us they wanted to turn America into an imperial power years ago. No surprise then that that is exactly what is happening. The only surprise on my part is that so many "patriotic Americans" go along with this and the economic fascism practiced by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and friends.

    But hey, even the minions of the criminal global elite need to make a living I guess.
     
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    I agree with Daisy. There's no way that a drastically weakened administration is going to start a third war to invade Syria while two other wars are ongoing and the economy could be sliding into a recession in 2006.
     
  13. poncho

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    We're still a long ways from owning Uzbekistan Ken.
     
  14. KenH

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    The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives

    If you want to dominate the world you'd better have a plan. And the globalists had theirs long before 9/11.

    Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Iran are just so many squares to be won in this chess game the propaganda meisters call the GWOT. Haven't figured that out yet Ken?

    Bush is just a cog in the globalist machinery if he loses to many pieces in the game then Hillary or some other globalist minion will get to take his place and carry on with the plan.
     
  16. Baptist in Richmond

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    Are you sure about that, Ken?

    Here is a story on FoxNews, quoting Secretary of State Rice.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  17. KenH

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    Yes. I see no way that we can currently do it - in a military or a fiscal sense.
     
  18. Baptist in Richmond

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    But, as you can see in the link, it is still on the table.
     
  19. KenH

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    Everything can be on the table. Doesn't mean that everything on the table is practicable or doable.
     
  20. Baptist in Richmond

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    Well, I certainly hope you are right....
     
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