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When a person trusts Christ is eternally secure in Christ. If he isn't then Christ is lying.
As for testing, read the book of Job. God allowed Satan to test Job. What happened in the end. Job was more prosperous in the end then he was in the beginning.


1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

 

Testing and believing are two different subjects, so I don't know what you are getting at. Salvation is by faith alone. God doesn't test one in order to be saved. God gives each the opportunity to be saved--to trust him as Savior. That has nothing to do with testing.

 

The word "test" in the Bible can often be translated "trials."
In the KJV it is sometimes translated "tempts."

First, one must not lay any false allegation against God.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

God allows testing.
James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
--Testing brings patience.

1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
--Testing tries our faith and brings honor to Christ.

 

Yes I agree with that. I wasn't being argumentative. I was simply pointing out that sometimes these Old English words are used interchangeably, and one must let the context define the meaning.

For example:
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
--Here "temptation" does mean testing or trial.
and "tempted" means "tried."
God will not allow us to be tempted ("tried" or "tested") above what we are able. But he will allow us to be tested (tempted). The words here are used interchangeably.

 

Do Not confuse justification and becoming more as jesus! catholics state that one must co operate with the Grace of God well enough to actual merit being saved by him, need to heed the bible that jesus paid it all, and by faith we get Him and get it all!

 

The verses you quote are mostly irrelevant. They are chosen from here and there, OT and NT, no matter what the context is.

What is significant is the above statement. Jesus does not not even save us unless he knows our hearts..."
This implies that there is a time when he doesn't know our hearts, and is not omniscient. Therefore God is not God. He is stripped of his omniscient. The God that you have described is not very knowledgeable if he doesn't know the hearts of men. Perhaps Satan knows more than God in your view.

But thankfully the Scriptures give us a better, a Biblical view of God apart from yours.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
--Man's heart is deceitful. Who can know it? God knows the heart.

Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
--God searches the heart. He searches the heart of every man.

God knows every thought of every man whether saved or unsaved.

 

this whole discussion remonds me of peter saying to the bethren that why would the jews insist that gentiles be under the Law, for if jews could not keep the law, how could gentiles be expected to do it?

 

I have learned Moriah.
First, I glanced over the references and quickly read the verses.
Second, I recognized that my responses would be the same as all the others:
--out of context; written to the Jews, written to Christians (not needing salvation, non sequitor (nothing to do with the subject), etc.
In fact there is not one verse that you posted that clearly has anything to do with what is needed or required for salvation; not even one. So there is no reason for me to go through them and answer each one.

Besides that, I can't get you to answer one question, and you want me to answer all of those verses!!!!!

Try this. A Yes or no, will do.
"Do you believe that "salvation is by faith alone, in Christ alone by grace alone."
Yes, or No?

That means Jesus does not know some hearts.
What a weak and anemic God you serve--one that doesn't know all things; all hearts. That is shameful Moriah.

 

I have made no mistake. You take Scripture out of context.
There is not one verse there that relates to how a person can find salvation.

You have made foolish statements in the past.
One of them is this: "All of the Bible is about salvation."
I challenged you on that, and continue to do so.
You still haven't answered me. Show me how "crisping pins and mufflers," as well as "ornaments of the leg" have had a part in your salvation? You won't give me an answer because you can't and you know you are wrong. The passage in Isaiah 3 has nothing to do with salvation.

The Scripture may be, and is, God-breathed, but that doesn't mean it has to do with one's salvation. Neither do the Scriptures that you have previously posted.

Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone.
You continue to ignore that on every thread it is posted on.
It bothers you a lot doesn't it?

 

When you say that God doesn't know the hearts of all men, then what kind of God is he. He certainly isn't omniscient is he? He is not the omniscient God of the Bible who knows the hearts of ALL men.