Well, it's official now......

Hmmm. A shame really. It seems that if ya'll were truly making a difference or mattered in your community, a change of this magnitude would never go unnoticed. It was only recently when the "rumour" that Dr. Godsey might retire from Mercer was going around it was in the papers, even talk radio.
Actually the change did get attention. There was a news crew here Sunday morning at 6:30 am. The seminary has been trying to see that every home in Wake Forest has heard of the saving grace of God. During the school year, one club goes door to door every Friday night. We did not say no one was paying attention, we said it isn't getting tons of attention. Besides, even though Dr. Patterson is the leader, and a great man, the teachers will still go on teaching the same solid biblical teaching after he leaves.

BB, it is unfortunate that some people attend seminary and have no place doing so. Those you have been exposed to make the whole school look bad. I would hope the employer would inform the school so the school could take their behavior under consideration. I know SEBTS has kicked students out for some of their activities. For example, you mentioned pornography, if Dr. Patterson finds out a student or employee is involved in it, they will be history. All of the school's computers have blocking software that prohibits the viewing of filth. I am surprised SWBTS doesn't have that as well.

 

Baptist Believer,
Yeah, I know some of the bad eggs too. They did all kinds of heinous things and now assume positions in churches, SBC and CBF alike, and some even in "leadership" in both. Pathetic.

As for the seminary desperation, I took a $15 dollar an hour job---for $5 an hour. The employer was doing his part to keep us seminary boys humble and hungry, and was getting us ready for the church to do the same

 

Southern did that early in Mohler's tenure, and many of these turned out to be some of his most vocal critics. I'm sure there is no connection

 

Here's my latest SWBTS prediction:

After Russell Moore gets his doctorate at Southern, Paige Patterson will ask him to become a theology professor at SWBTS.

 

To our brother in TN and fellow SWBTS grad. I have been in Fort Worth for 20 years and news at SWBTS used to be front page news and on all local networks. The hiring of PP was VERY low-key in all the media. SBC wake up, the public is tired of the "mess" and your influence is waning!

 

Southern did that early in Mohler's tenure, and many of these turned out to be some of his most vocal critics. I'm sure there is no connection Well, I am sure Dr. Patterson is not afraid of being critisized by someone who was kicked out for pornography addiction. I know if I heard someone who was kicked out critisize him and act like they are on moral high ground, I will ask them why they were expelled. Dr. Patterson would only expell someone for a solid biblical reason.

KPBAB
for haveing a waning we sure seem to have more and more students attend the seminaries. More and more missionaries are entering the fields. We are not conserned with the spotlight, we can leave that garbage to the politicians. I know I would live a perfectly happy life if I never make the front page of a paper. Especially since most news is alwaysdepressing, i don't want to be in that catagory.

 

Huh?

 

Be careful!---applications to SBC seminaries are not on the increase and don't forget how many missionaries the IMB fired! Fewer and fewer young people have an interest in SBC causes...but maybe God just may use someone other than the SBC.

I just hope Fort Worth has a good Miliners (hat shop). Dorothy has arrived!!!

 

Untrue. I have it on first-hand knowledge. The statistics disagree with you.

It amounted to 0.0014% of the IMB missions personnel if my calculator still works correctly.

 

Aren't you supposed to love your enemy? Why all the negative comments?</font>[/QUOTE]I do not regard them as being negative, just a considered opinion. (Notice the “when/if” – I did not say it was a sure thing.)

I base my opinion on two things:

1.) The recent refusal to grant tenure to two excellent professors, Steve Stookey and Karen Bullock. They both signed the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message but that apparently wasn’t good enough. I know more about the situation, but I do not have permission to speak about it.

2.) Paige Patterson told the Raleigh News & Observer in a May 8th interview regarding his possible move to Fort Worth to take over Southwestern that “[c]ontrary to speculation about me, I'm more a man of peace than war. I don't like conflict. But things are not fully settled there (at Southwestern). Whoever goes there will have some confrontation to deal with." It is well known here that certain trustees wanted Ken Hemphill to do some “house cleaning” and were not satisfied with Hemphill’s accomplishments. These same trustees selected Patterson – without looking at any other possible candidate – to head the seminary. Given Patterson’s abrasive history here in Texas, it is hard not to believe that some sort of religious “cleansing” is not scheduled for the next calendar year.

 

The brooms are ready......

Who will be left standing?

 

I have a really good friend who is a DOM and "on board" with the SBC and I quote "Hiring Dr. Patterson is like throwing gasoline on the fire." So I guess not everyone thinks it is a good idea....not only those that are in diagreement with current SBC leadership.

Just for the record I couldn't agree with my friend more!

 

Yes. I also attended Southwestern and knew of many other incidents among students that just took place on campus. It only demonstrates that religious people are sinners as well.

Nope. It’s too risky to do that because of the danger of being sued. Unless you bring charges against the person, you put your company in legal jeopardy when you violate the privacy of your employees or former employees.

Southwestern kicked out a number of people for those sorts of things when I was there. (Of course the Internet had barely begun at the time, so much of it was simply traditional porn and old-fashioned sexual sin.)

The incidents I referred to were at a private school where I (and a few other) seminary students worked. After I completed my time at Southwestern, I continued to work there for a few years until I started my writing career full-time. The school did not have blocking software because it was often ineffective and censored important information the school believed the students should have the right to access, but it did record every website accessed by every user. I always told the employees who worked for me that everything they access online was recorded each day and reviewed, but apparently a couple of seminarians didn’t believe me.

It’s amazing how willfully giving into temptation makes a person stupid.

 

Yep. The theology wasn’t a deciding factor although more “conservative” students seemed to get themselves in trouble. I think that was because there were simply more of them during the time I was supervising seminarians (instead of being supervised) and also the fact that some of the more “conservative” students were always out to get those who were considered more “liberal”. I personally took a lot of cheap shots from “conservatives” who assumed I was immoral because I didn’t agree with the “conservative resurgence” (sic). Two different students wanted to know if I was somehow “under conviction” for sexual sins which caused me to reject their views on 5-point-Calvinism and a wooden version of the doctrine of inerrancy. In that kind of environment, a more “liberal” student is not likely to do anything that would make them look suspicious. As for my situation, the seminary had someone search my apartment on at least one occasion for incriminating evidence (of what, I don’t know for sure because no one in the Housing office would tell me why they did it), but they turned up empty. After that charming experience, I decided to move out of seminary housing rather than have people pawing their way through my private journals, financial information, refrigerator, and bathroom cabinet.

Ugh. My first job in Fort Worth was something like that. They kept cutting my commissions because I “was making too much money”. I had to take a second job to pay the bills until I could locate the job at the private school that would allow me to cut back 40 hours a week while taking a full load of classes.

It wasn’t like I came to seminary with any money in the bank! I had been pasturing full time for the previous two years for the princely sum of $35 per week (after travel expenses).

 

BB,
The liberal students at Southern did the same kind of Jihad against conservatives like you speak of. I know conservative profs who had their offices ransacked, vandelized, etc., because they didn't tow the party line of liberalism.

So let's just say there are bad apples on any side, though I saw more from the left than I ever did the right.

 

As to the original post, I say in my best Marv Albert's impression:

Yessss

 

gotochurch,
I believe that quote was stated to the media. was it not? I believe it came from someone who had something personal against Dr. Patterson when they were both at Criswell, and that person resigned. Am I thinking of the right person? If not I apologize.

Anyways, although SEBTS is saddened to see Dr. Patterson leave, I know he will have a wonderful effect on SWBTS and I pray for all those employed and attending there.