What A Contrast!

True? Have any pictures of people bowing down before the guy you keep calling the messiah?

 

==In saying "as far as I am concerned" you dismissed the Word of God's clear teaching and examples on this issue. I'm sorry you have gone so far. :tear:

 

==I'm sorry, but when you proclaimed that "the passage states give honor to whom honor is due. As far as I am concerned "bo" is not due honor" you violated the clear meaning and example of Scripture. If that is not dismissing the Word of God on a matter I don't know what is. Scripture gives us clear teaching and examples on this matter. Yet you chose, for political reasons, to ignore those teachings and examples. I'm sorry but I think you have allowed politics to become too important in your thinking.

==That is a strawman argument for several reasons. First, the antichrist will come from the old Roman Empire of which the United States is not part (Dan 9:96-27). Second, the antichrist will only be revealed after the restrainer is removed (2Thess 2:6-8). Third, there is a very big difference between the President of the United States and the antichrist. One no more than a politician, the other is the devil in human form. If your concern really is that in honoring the President you might accidently be honoring the antichrist then you need not worry. Even if the person who will become the antichrist is alive today, and we don't know that he is, that person is not yet the antichrist. For the antichrist has not yet been revealed. Scripture commands us to honor our political leaders. Paul wrote those statements when Nero was Emperor of Rome. He stood before men who were real despots, yet in keeping with his own teachings he showed them the respect that was due their position (ex: Acts 23:1-5). We should do the same unless and/or until that leader directs us to contradict the Word of God (Acts 4:14-20, 5:27-29).

==You dismiss the Word of God's commands on this subject and then turn around and accuse others of hypocrisy? I'm not defending President Obama. I did not vote for him and I do not support many (most) of his policies. However I would not disrespect his office by disrespecting him. God is the judge of all men, not us. We are to obey God and leave the judgment to Him (Rom 12:17-13:7). As Christians we must call evil policies what they are, and we dare not compromise the truth, but at the same time we are called to show respect to our government leaders. That principle is seen in the Old Testament and in the New Testament.

 

A ridiculous statement that is not supported by fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran


In the 2005 presidential elections, Iran made yet another change in political direction, when conservative populist candidate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected over Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

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Once again simply twisting the truth for political purposes.

 

==And you still avoid the clear teaching and examples of Scripture. Amazing yet sad.

==Actually it comes directly from Daniel 9:26-27 where it is clearly stated that the prince who is to come will arise from the Romans (who destroyed the city and the sanctuary in 70ad).

==I think you are getting mixed up. John talks about antichrists who are already on the scene (1Jn 2:18-23, 4:1-3, 2Jn 7) and he speaks of a antichrist/beast that is yet to come (1Jn 2:18, Rev 13). That the antichrist will only be revealed after the restrainer is removed comes directly from the pin of the Apostle Paul (2Thess 2:6-8). Though Bible students do not agree on who the restrainer is. Either way, the antichrist cannot be revealed until after the restrainer is removed. That is what Scripture clearly says, therefore that is what I believe.

==I did not say that it had anything to do with Paul standing before Nero. Allow me to quote what I actually said:

"Paul wrote those statements when Nero was Emperor of Rome. He stood before men who were real despots, yet in keeping with his own teachings he showed them the respect that was due their position (ex: Acts 23:1-5)."

I said that when Paul wrote Romans, Nero was Emperor of Rome. So when Paul wrote Romans 12:14-13:7 Nero was the authority in Rome. Yet Paul gave no exception clause. If your logic were correct we should expect some sort of exception clause. After all, Nero was a very wicked and twisted man. Yet no such clause exists!

Acts 23:1-5 is an example of Paul showing respect to a ruler (Ananias) who was clearly in violation of the Word of God. Yet Paul, once he realized that he was talking to the High Priest, showed respect to the High Priest (Acts 23:5). Why? Because the Word of God commanded it. We see this principle at work in the lives of David, Daniel, and Joseph as well.

==No your not. President Obama has not given you orders not to preach the Gospel (Acts 5:28). I know you think you are like Peter in this, but you are not. You are in error in your attitude. It was Peter himself who commanded us to be submissive to kings, and all who are in authority (1Pet 2:13-16). The only Biblical exception is when the government asks us to do something that is contrary to Scripture. President Obama has not done that. Therefore you have no Biblical authority to disrespect his office.

That President Obama supports wicked policies is beyond dispute. Yet that does not give us the right to disobey what Scripture teaches us. We are to honor all who are in authority and pray daily for them. That is what we are to do (Titus 3:1-2).

 

==I don't consider that to be a reply.

 

Why don't you just speak for yourself instead of trying to put lies in other people's mouths? If you want to consider Obama your messiah then go ahead. Who is JC?

 

The JC reference has been explained to you several times.

Why do you continue to ask that question?

How about a simple statement that you are not the same person that previously posted here under the name of JustChristian before being banned?

And don't forget that lying is a sin.:saint: