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What a sobering contrast!

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by ReformedBaptist, Jun 25, 2008.

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  1. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    I sat to spend some time this evening in reading and thought I would share a sobering contrast of a humble Baptist pastor's last words, and that of pope John Paul II.

    Near his death, this Baptist pastor expressed to his nephew the following words:

    "I depnd wholly and alone upon the free, sovereign, eternal, unchangeable, love of God, the firm and everlasting covenant of grace, and my interest in the Persons of the Trinity, for my whole salvation; and not upon any righteousness of my own; nor on any thing in me, or done by me under the influences of the Holy Spirit...but upon the free grace of God, the blessings of grace streaming to me through the blood and righteousness of Christ, as the ground of my hope." -John Gill

    And the pope wrote,

    "Today I wish to add only this: that each of us must bear in mind the prospect of death. And must be ready to present himself before the Lord and Judge - Who is at the same time Redeemer and Father. I too continually take this into consideration, entrusting that decisive moment to the Mother of Christ and of the Church - to the Mother of my hope.

    ...All the more deeply I now feel that I am totally in the Hands of God - and I remain continually at the disposal of my Lord, entrusting myself to Him in His Immaculate Mother..."

    O what a contrast! One man entrust his hope and resting it entirely in Christ and His grace to save and justify sinners--Christ's blood and righteousness the ground of his hope--and to the other a woman, blessed she be, but unable to save.

    May all of you rest your hope in the immutable love of God in Christ Jesus.

    -RB
     
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  2. Cutter

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    What a sobering contrast, indeed!
    I would hate to leave this world trusting the one to whom it was said, "Yea a sword shall pierce through thine own heart also...
     
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  3. Magnetic Poles

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    Well, the Pope said the mother OF HIS HOPE...meaning his hope is Jesus.
     
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  5. ReformedBaptist

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    And what of this "entrusting myself to Him in His Immaculate Mother" lol He entrusted the eternal welfare of his soul to God THROUGH and IN Mary!

    My bad...you misquoted the pope's words. My above reply was uncessary. He said "to" the mother of his hope. His trust was in the mother, not in his hope.
     
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  6. EdSutton

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    I fully agree that there is a sobering contrast here, as well.

    However, I do have one question.

    Is this accurately quoted, for I was not able to find this in my Bible, and I do believe you champion the KJV, as well, if my memory serves accurately? (Incidentally, my memory is not guaranteed, FTR.)

    Also, regardless of whether Pope John Paul II was referring to Mary or 'the "Mother" church' as the mother of his hope, - my hope, like that of Dr. John Gill, is built on the Lord.

    Ed
     
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  8. TomMann

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    During dad's final years he spent a lot of time on family geneology things. Whis came out of some of the papers:

    Will of Ephraim Edward Davidson
    In humble dependence upon Almighty God for life, and a willingness to lay it down when the summons of death may be coming soon to take it away; and realizing the certainty that all have to bow to the King of Kings when the appointed hour arrives, and confident of unmerited grace through the righteousness of Jesus Christ for a happy resurrection, I do make this, my last will and testament.


    FIRST, My spirit I resign to its Great First Cause, the Lord Jehovah, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and my body to its Mother Earth.
    SECOND, My worldly substance I will and bequeath to my wife Mary Davidson during her lifetime, with the following exceptions, that is to say:

    .................Text of the will:................

    I now bid the world with all its sorrows an difficulties farewell, with hopes of a blessed immortality. Done this 26th November, 1847.
    Ephraim Edward Davidson
    ATTEST:
    Samuel J. Reid
    Zebina Conkey

    Regardless of the words, whether eloqluent or plain... the heart is known and stands alone before the Maker.....
     
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  9. Cutter

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    Thanks, Lady Eagle
     
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  10. EdSutton

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    Sorry, Lk. 2:35 is not as you quoted, Cutter. You might want to look at it again. You quoted (that is what quotation marks mean, you know) this verse as reading:
    In fact, Lk. 2:35a in what is, I presume (or at least I would assume to be) the 1769 KJVs I have in hand (5 of them, FTR), read this way:
    The 'American' KJV (BiBlos.com) reads:
    Cutter, you are one of the more vocal advocates I see on the BB, in arguing for the KJV, implying that it is the only or at least the most reliable version, and that 'MVs' have been 'changed'. It is not asking too much to ask that it be quoted correctly, IMO, given your stance, else you are doing the exact same thing you have suggested that others are doing.

    Its called "consistency". That is a sobering contrast, as well.

    Ed
     
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  11. Alive in Christ

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    Reformed Baptist,

    You quoted the Catholic Pope...

    And commented...

    Indeed. I read that when Pope John Paul II was shot, he said only one thing as they rushed him off for medical care...

    The name "Mary". Over and over again. Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary, etc...

    A sinner saved by grace, who has no saving power, yet has been turned into an idolatrous false goddess,(and is worshipped as such by millions) with supposed God like attributes and powers, by the false church of Rome.

    May God have mercy.


    :godisgood:
     
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  12. Zenas

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    Yes it is a sobering contrast, but the pope did recover rather quickly from two potentially lethal bullet wounds. The surgeon who treated him remarked, ''It is a miracle. If you look at an anatomy book, you cannot find a space wide enough for a bullet to pass through and miss so many vital organs.'' So . . . did the pope escape death because of his prayers to Mary or in spite of them?
     
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  13. David Lamb

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    If prayers to Mary caused miracles, no, let me go further, if it were right for Christians to pray to Mary, how strange it is that there is not a single example of anyone doing so in the bible, nor is there any instruction to pray to her.
     
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  14. sag38

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    Mary had nothing to do with the Pope living. It simply wasn't his time.
     
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  15. stilllearning

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    Hi Alive in Christ

    You said......
    And I say......Amen
     
    #15 stilllearning, Jul 2, 2008
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