What about coffee?

Ahhh -- Well it was 3 am and my thinker wasn't quite up to par yet. :tongue3:

 

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This one was at www.techhelpers.net

 

And you're smilling? I thought you would be more like at 3 am without coffee?

 

So very strange that most do not realize this "drug" is given to man by God.

So very strange God says He "will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
22. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease", Genesis 8:21-22.

At some point we must realize as we condemn, we need to know it is not something we think is bad, or sin when used, but Our God we end up condemning. A little here, and a little there is acceptable to God. Why do we not believe Him?

Did I sin when I smoked for 53 years? I know I didn't for I had His permission, otherwise I would have been sinning, thinking I was sinning. Do I advocate any do as I? In no way.

As there should not be any "babes" here, if any has read some of my post's they know I drink that God-awful stuff (labeled by some) wine. I have His permission, yet so very many condemn me for what I drink, meaning they are condemning God that gave the alcoholic wine, to man to "gladden His heart". A little will make us "happy, or contented". When we get "merry" on this very wine (this wine was in the "cup") we are into "slap happy". In this state then we can begin to talk about sin, but I'll not condemn anything that God gives us for if I do, it is Him I have marked as bringing me to sin to sin. Is the food we eat SIN? It is when we go "slap happy" in our eating habits. We can't let such sin's reign in our heart.

It is we that make our own sin. If we think anything is making us sin in what we eat and drink, we had better stop it immediately, for we will continue in our sin/s. We in our freedom and liberty found in Him, do not sin, for we cannot abide in Him if we continue in the sin we have made for ourselves. Again, surely there should be none here who have not matured - Romans 14:21-23, "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

In The Spirit we have faith in Christ, and our Father that gives us all things.

 

Are you saying God gave you his permission to smoke because tobacco grows from the ground?

Mariuana grows from the ground too. Do we have his permission to smoke that?

 

ittuttut,

You constantly say God gave the alcoholic wine to you, yet you have yet to post one shred of evidence that the wine that maketh the heart glad is alcoholic.

We have given scripture after scripture to show God would not do such.

 

God forbid

 

what about catnip?

 

Have you ever studied the "religiion" of humanism. That is what you are advocating here. You ought to read the Humanist Manifesto. It is quite enlightening. Everything is relative, they say. What is right for you may not be right for me. There are no absolutes. This is humanism--taught in all of our public schools--lies straight from the devil.
The Bible does have absolutes. There is a difference between right and wrong. If it is wrong to smoke then it is wrong to smoke whether you knew it was wrong or not. Please don't tell me that the Holy Spirit gave you the permission to smoke. Wrong is wrong, no matter which way you look at it. Sin is a transgression of the law--whether or not you are ignorant of it--1John 3:4.

Here is the way it was in the beginning:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (food)

Adam and Eve were given herbs to eat. All the plants of the Garden--they were vegetarians. Hemp was grown. I don't know if it was edible, but for all the herbs that God gave them to eat he never commanded them to smoke them. They could make rope with hemp; but smoking it was not one of its God-given purposes.
And so it is with grapes. Corrupt grapes, like smoked hemp is not one of the purposes that God had in mind. Don't give your neighbor wine to drink. That is a pretty straight forward statement, is it not. It is found in Hab.2:15. (though it is my loose paraphrase).
DHK

 

I enjoy my coffee.

:tongue3:

 

In your study in the "religion of humanism" you do as so many that go outside of the Bible to gain understanding of the world, instead of understanding of His Word. You in your studies have got all mixed up. You just stated "humanism" created "wine". If I'm not mistaken I recall it was God that gave to man "alcoholic wine" to make his heart glad.

His Word says we in the Body of Christ are dead to the law, and I don't live under the law. It helps to understand what you read. Since when is drinking wine, or strong drink a sin? Do you not sin by implying drinking is a sin? Israel could take their "tithes" under certain circumstances and spend it all on "wine or strong drink", if they wished.

As to smoking, please show where the Bible says it is a sin to smoke. I John 3:4 makes no reference to same. Do you drink coffee, coke, or tea? Are you as Jehovah Witness, or any of the others that call such as these "sins". Should we believe what the world tells us and not His Word. Colossians 2:20-23.

You should really read a little further into your Bible. It is very interesting reading - much better than delving into "worldly sinful things studying such trash as "religion of humanism".

Things have changed since the "beginning". There was a little happening that came called the "flood". We are to eat meat and herbs now if we wish, and smoke also according to Jesus (Matthew 15:11-19). You want to know what sins are? Look at verse 19. Also see what Christ revealed to Paul in I Corinthians 6:9-12, and smoking is not included. If you are planning on continuing to condemn people then do it right, and not use what the world tells you is a sin. All things to them are sins, as they remain in their sins. To rightly and justly condemn use I Corinthians 6:18-20, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Also something else is new. God gave Noah the "smarts" to now make "wine" from grapes, and the "wine" that Noah drank was evidently good for he drank too much and got "drunk". He was the "guinea pig" for the world, to show what over indulgence in any thing will cause. It will cause us to "sin". Have all sinned? Yes, and this is the reason that Jesus Christ shed His blood for us, because we are sinners. My sins have been forgiven.

 

Hello Digger. You have no Word from God that states what you say. He would contradict Himself if there were such evidence. He gave it to us because Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. He gave it to Noah for evidently man did not have the knowledge to make "wine" (or perhaps the ground after being cursed could not produce grapes), for there is no evidence of man getting drunk on the "fruit of the vine" before the flood.

Can you say in all honesty you believe (Genesis 14:18) Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and "grape juice" to Abram?

If we can do that then we can go about changing the Word of God to fit what man tells the Christian what to believe. Genesis 19:32-35 looks so much better to some Christians when we change the wording to coincide with the knowledge and wisdom of man. "Come, let us make our father drink grape juice,……….33. And they made their father drink grape juice that night:……34. ……………let us make him drink grape juice this night also;……35. And they made their father drink grape juice that night also:……"

How about Psalms 104:15, which explains Melchizedek's gift to Abram and his men after their victory - "And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

And how can we know for sure that "wine", and not grape juice is to represent His Blood? Genesis 49:11-12, "Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: 12. His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk." Is prophecy to be believed? If so, then are we not washed in His Blood?