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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. mandym

    mandym New Member

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    Show me in scripture that the Bible defines works as anything man does.
     
  2. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    When it comes to your testimony and a contradiction in Scripture, this is always your answer:

    "This thread is not about me."
    You wonder why posters get tired of this.
    Yes it is about you. It is about you and your life or testimony and your posts that directly contradict the Word of God. If you can't reconcile your life with your posts, then why are you posting.

    You are like a man that says: "I can fly! I can fly!"
    OK, then prove it.
    "This thread is not about me," he answers.
    --You are that person.
     
  3. 33ad

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    The only works that are justified are the ones of God not of man.


    James 2:24
    Douay-Rheims 1601
    24*Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
     
  4. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    James is a practical book written to believers only. He is speaking of the works that follow salvation, the works that salvation produce.

    In Romans 5:1 the context is salvation.
    Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.
    Here works are not mentioned, because there aren't any. We are justified without works, but by faith alone.
     
  5. savedbymercy

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    dhk

    Believing has always been something man does, God does not believe for an Individual. Scripture has always said that a Person is not saved by what they do. Now if you are saved by your believing, something you did, then you contradict scripture, for Paul writes under the inspiration of God this Eph 2:8-9

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The word that God inspired Paul to write for works is the greek word ergon which means:

    business, employment, that which any one is occupied

    a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

    2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

    3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

    Now, The Jailor asked Paul what must he DO to be saved ? Now if you believe Paul told him to Believe on Christ to get saved, you are charging Paul with contradicting his own Teaching !

    Paul commanded him to believe on Christ and he shall be saved ! Paul told him correctly ! Believing is a consequence of being in a saved state, not believing is a consequence of being in a condemned state Jn 3:18

    The Phillipian Jailor was as one whose heart was good, so that when the seed of the word, that Paul spoke to him Acts 16:32 was sown upon it, it bringeth forth fruit, as in his case the Fruit of Faith or believing. Matt 13:23

    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    The good ground is the New Heart given by New Birth ! Man"s heart is not good by nature !

    Now I have took time to show you your error, so if you continue to insist that one gets saved because they do something, like believe, instead of understanding that believing is an evidence of a saved state already, just as not believing is a evidence of a condemned state already, then you continue to believe and teach a lie, salvation by your works !
     
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    If you believe you are Justified because of what you did, then you deny Rom 5:1 ! You cannot be Justifed by Faith and your works also !
     
  7. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    The Philippian jailer was saved because he believed.
    Paul was saved because he believed.
    The Ethiopian Eunuch was saved because he believed.

    You say you have not believed.
    Then what about your salvation?
     
  8. mandym

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    Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
     
  9. savedbymercy

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    Yes, if you mean by that, his believing revealed that he was saved.

    But if you mean by that, he met a condition to get saved by what he did, then you teach salvation by works. Now which is it ?
     
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    Thats a True Verse, but what does it mean ? Are you saying that it means that because they did something, they got saved ? If that is what you are meaning, then you also teach salvation by works !
     
  11. mandym

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    You have yet to prove by scripture what "works" is. Wanna try now?
     
  12. DHK

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    Believing ALWAYS comes before salvation. Yes, it is conditional. One cannot be saved without faith.
    Therefore being justified by faith (believing) we have peace with God.
     
  13. savedbymercy

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    The word works in scripture as in Eph 2:9

    Its the greek word ergon and means:

    business, employment, that which any one is occupied

    a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

    2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

    3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work


    Now you tell me,is believing something that a man does ? Its pretty cut and dry !
     
  14. savedbymercy

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    Believing is the Fruit of Salvation. If you make salvation the result of something you do, then you teach salvation by works, which is contrary to basic salvation teaching Eph 2:8-9



    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
     
  15. mandym

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    No its not cut and dry we still have:

    Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

    Because of your error in your understanding of works you have to rip Romans 10:9-10 completely out of its context. The entirety of of that passage is about eternal salvation.
     
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    Savedbymercy, how do YOU know that YOU are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?
     
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    Something tells me that SBM either doesn't want to answer or he doesn't have an answer.
     
  18. mandym

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    That is what you want it to say, that is not what it says. Since God is the one who opens the heart and requires man to respond their is no works. You pervert the Romans 10:9-10 passage and ignore the context of that chapter in order to fit your eisegetical and predetermined agenda.
     
  19. savedbymercy

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    Nah, that is what it says, and it is the inspired word of God also ! Works in the bible is defined as:

    Its the greek word ergon and means:

    business, employment, that which any one is occupied

    a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

    2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

    3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
     
  20. targus

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    Ya think?

    I've posted the same question to him FOUR times on this thread with no answer.

    What does that mean?
     
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