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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ken4JC, May 4, 2004.

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  1. Trotter

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    Phillip,

    You think way too much like I do.

    It is truly scary.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #61 Trotter, May 8, 2004
  2. Phillip

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    Trotter,

    What's truly scary to me is the thought that there is somebody else out there thinking like I am. Oh, my...... :eek:

    Have a great Lord's Day. I think I am going to check out for the night. See ya tomorrow night or Monday. [​IMG]
     
    #62 Phillip, May 8, 2004
  3. robycop3

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    My apologies to Ken and Skan-I quoted Skan's post and attributed it to Ken.

    However, the advice is still timely. I use Opera browser, & I've never had a prob copying and later pasting articles many pages long before, for had any probs with copying a long post "just in case".

    Methinks there's some sorta time limit in these boards. Usually I have trouble if it's taken me more than a half hour to complete & send a post, even a short one, if I were interrupted for whatever reason.
     
    #63 robycop3, May 9, 2004
  4. Ken4JC

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    Totally not a problem, I think the solution you offer is just as good not mater who you quoted, I try to use a word processor for just such problems as I get a post and think on it and reply that takes a lot of time for me. When I am at work this can take even longer as I am not paid to talk on the BB, I even get the part that I would like to reply to clipped ‘off line’ and form my reply before I log on to the BB. Also I am not a great speller (as you all have enjoyed pointing out) and at times visual similar words that fit the grammar get by my word processor and my re-read. But I have found people that use spelling errors as a point of debate are most likely showing that they think they do not have a very good point in the debate and are evading the topic as given. :D
     
    #64 Ken4JC, May 10, 2004
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Ken4JC: "I do not intend any violence to this board, and hope that I will not get kicked too soon. I am just Baptist, I seek to serve the Lord and hope to share the way to a real change in life for others."

    IMHO most who feel this way get to where they
    type nothing but lots of it.
    And here is a fourm devoted to it:
    G A M E - F O R U M

    Oops, i'm pr'bly in trouble [​IMG]

    Meanwhile, us who have to work* all day,
    take long 10-hour breaks in posting ...

    * some say "get the privilege to work *
     
    #65 Ed Edwards, May 10, 2004
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    I've also found that when people run
    out of new arguments they begin to say
    the old argumetns WITH BIGGER LETTERS!

    Another good dodge is to claim to be an
    expert. I know i've been on electronic,
    computer driven bulleting boards
    (public sector) for 20 years come July.
    So i know lots more about bbs than
    anybody else around here.
    BTW, i was on corporate bbs before that [​IMG]
     
    #66 Ed Edwards, May 10, 2004
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    I've also found that when people run
    out of new arguments they begin to say
    the old argumetns WITH BIGGER LETTERS!

    Hiya broEdEd! [​IMG] Do ya mean big letters like this...
    IMHO most who feel this way get to where they
    type nothing but lots of it.
    And here is a fourm devoted to it:
    G A M E - F O R U M

    Hey~you should cut loose and come on down, or is it up? I never knew I could have so much fun! [​IMG]
     
    #67 GrannyGumbo, May 10, 2004
  8. Dr. Bob

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    You're right, Granny. After lots of time on the Versions or Theology or Fundamental Baptist forums to spent time in the COFFEE HOUSE or the GAME FORUM is a good change of pace.
     
    #68 Dr. Bob, May 10, 2004
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    I make mine SPORTS.
     
    #69 robycop3, May 10, 2004
  10. Ken4JC

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    Well as a Californian (born), Chicago (lived) and Midwestern (dipped) I have come to have a deep and heart felt respect for the South and much of what I think the South stands for in the USA. I know that much of the noisy part of the South is ready at the drop of a hat to have a fight and make trouble they are what we see on TV and in the media for people to think that is what the South is about. I have come to see that only small groups of very shallow people make up this yellow dog that I have found in the media and for the most part you have to wait for this small group to get tired of fighting or get them in jail where they belong then you get to meet the real south. I call it getting to the black gun steel; you have to spend a lot of long nights and long days to see it in the eyes of people of the South. I said all that to say that this is what I have found in the Baptist that seem to have a long tradition, I think even longer that this young country can claim. You see Baptist is not like any religion from my viewpoint it is the people of the body of Christ. We try on other fancy versions of what Vanity Fair has to offer and at times we get so distracted about our spats and hats that we forget the steel, rock and blood that make us stand the way we do. I think the Father in heaven must smile at our self-importance and stubborn pride as we try to stick our fancy hats. We must all remember that Grace alone saves us and all our fancy dress is as filthy rags and that old rugged cross is the only real gold we can find. We have snake oil solutions and big sounding programs but by the stripes of Jesus Christ alone we are healed. You are right about the empty sounding rhetoric, after a time you get to see that the important thing is what you hold in your heart and a right relation with the Father (John 14:6). I think that the Internet has provided over the years a way to finish this process in a faster way (I started using the internet in 1983 – no, I am not an expert just experienced). I like to fuss, but have found that if the fuss cannot come to a real solution it is just a game. :cool:
     
    #70 Ken4JC, May 11, 2004
  11. robycop3

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    More truth, Ken...there are some people who believe that the KJV is the only valid English Bible version in existence, while most of us believe otherwise. This is tha largest facet of the discussion diamond here, and inevitably almost every other thread runs into the KJVOism-anti KJVOism "knot" sooner or later.

    I operate under the assumption that, with very few exceptions, the KJVOists are Christians, and therefore it becomes doubly important to correct them from that false doctrine. the easiest way I know is to constantly demand PROOF for their allegations, hoping that when they see there's simply NO evidence supporting their doctrine, they'll realize it's false and that they'll drop it.

    If the diehard KJVO refuses to yield to evidence (or lack thereof), then hopefully our efforts will keep the neophyte from falling into the KJVO trap.

    You asked, "What is truth?" This is more truth: that the KJVO myth is totally false. It has a man-made origin, and by a CULT MEMBER, This has been documented many times here, and on just about every versions discussion board in the English language.

    More truth: Neither I, nor almost any of the other Christians here are against the KJV. When the KJVO claims the KJV is perfect, we post proof that it isn't, and the KJVO inevitably accuses of being anti-KJV, since he/she has no real evidence with which to dispute us. KJVO is a doctrine of inventions. Having no real supporting evidence, the KJVO must resort to inventing his/her own "evidence" & hope someone swallows it.

    All a neutral observer need do is to weigh the evidence. KJVO simply has none. What KJVO has is a small core of diehard supporters who try to keep the myth alive with a boatload of guesswork, propaganda, innuendo, fables, fishing stories, spin, coverups, misinformation, double standards, ad-hominem attacks, and in some cases, OUTRIGHT LIES AND DISHONESTY. We who are anti-KJVOism have no doctrine of our own in this matter-we merely reject the doctrine of the KJVOs for its complete lack of supporting evidence.

    Ken, you can easily verify for yourself that this is truth.
     
    #71 robycop3, May 11, 2004
  12. Charles Meadows

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    I'll echo one thing that Robycop said!

    Why is it that anyone who argues against the KJBO position is called a KJB "hater"?

    I love the KJB - and I really don't use any other English versions since I have a good working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew.

    I find it annoying that so many people post things like "you KJB haters" and the like. I don't think I've ever met a KJB hater. So perhaps we could get rid of thazt kind of post!
     
    #72 Charles Meadows, May 11, 2004
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    Amen, Charles! But I seriously doubt that it will ever happen. The KJVO camp has to have something to cast in their teeth, since the truth doesn't seem to fit there.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #73 Trotter, May 11, 2004
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    Good thought, Mr. Meadows, but I doubt that it'll happen. Having nothing to bolster their myth, the KJVOs resort to such tactics, hoping to distract the readers from their lack of evidence.

    Ya know, I could sympathize with the KJVOs if there were any TRUTH or EVIDENCE supporting their myth, but there simply isn't any. It's a totally man-made, fairly modern false doctrine which should be fought at every turn.
     
    #74 robycop3, May 11, 2004
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    As a group your use of the fortified and unified myth of scientific evidence is only equal to the people that want me to believe that evolution is a fact also. I do not think that you understand that you have made a science out of desire to be right with no respect to the fact of hard science or the scientific method. Now before you get your shorts in a knot and fall off your wall of bovine manure, let me also point out that my KJVO view is a mater of faith. It would seem that unlike yourself I have embraced this fact or ‘truth’ (to keep to the point). I have come to this unscientific position by personal experience, and personal revelation using the tool of looking to God and putting my flesh to the cross. I have seen the also the fortified and unified myth of scientific evidence offered by the KJVO side of this debate and find that they too have missed the point for the most part. If you worship science as this generation has for the last 100 years, I have no doubt that you will seek ever new devices to avoid the fact of your idolatry and will as a MV user seek the new and latest diversion or translation and the KJVO will also look for some new speaker and book’s to end all book’s to bring to this alter of ego and carnal desire in the quest for self identity. As long as we will seek and buy the ‘gods’ of this world the Charismatic Consumer market will keep selling it to you, and taking our time and money to the bank. If you ever stop and look at the source of this debate in truth you will see that ALL VERSIONS come from the same source and for the most part are made for the exact same reason – to get money out of your pocket. Now from this viewpoint I would look not to the gods of science or the popes of higher education, I would seek the will of the Father and the peace of a right relation to the Kingdom of God. For me that is the KJB, as I have pulled back to this sword of personal choice I have seen the look of fear in the eyes of my true enemy Satan the eyes of fear that turn a funny yellow red of a foe that has been cut bad and many times before, but you would have to step up to the battle line to see this for yourself and you are far too occupied making money to buy yet another log to put on the fire of your contentment to worship a false god of science. (Rev 3:14-21) :cool:
     
    #75 Ken4JC, May 12, 2004
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    Ken,

    You speak of some "worshipping the God of science". I'm not so sure this always describes the situation. If science suggests something different than our traditional biblical interpretation does that necessarily mean that the devil is behind it. I think that what we learn from science can help us understand biblical history better. Knowledge is good!
     
    #76 Charles Meadows, May 12, 2004
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    Check out the Double Standard
    thread :(
     
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  18. Ken4JC

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    I am very glad you bring this point up as I think science and the scientific method are very valid tools that have no problem with the life of any human on earth they are true as the God who created them when use as a tool of discovery we can come to deeper and richer understanding of the complexity of the creation of God and make better choices as stewards of this domain. God is not a subset of science nor and extension of this cosmos as we experience it, we are a subset of God and his creation from nothing with no cause other than God’s perfect will. Science and the scientific method are tools we use to discover the fabric of this creation. The god’s that I speak of are the tools of subjective reason that try to fake science or put on the ‘terms’ of science and cannot be subjected to true science in any real way. An objective repeatable event described by identifiable relative causal sources can be called a theory but not a fact, until we clearly have an event that can be truly isolated from human desire for result by influence of preconceived control factors our point is not even theory and can never be called true science or even more than a collection of subjective fact. I am calling, in other words, the rubbery proto science to task; not that it is not real; not that it is not a great way to study possibilities that at one point may prove to be ‘science’, but that it is called ‘science’ and the streets run red with the blood of those who dare to question it’s real merit in the arena of fact. :cool:
     
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    Odd thought to contribute. Hebrew language is very unexact and picturesque (think metaphors galore). Greek language is very exact and logical. Logic as a philosophical/scientific method finds roots in Greek.

    When it came to God revealed His Word in great and careful detail and definition, He chose Greek for that very reason. My study of logic and my study of Greek go hand in glove.

    Praise God I don't have to rest His Word on a bunch of translators (1611 or 2004) whose subjective mindset may influence the true "science" of textual interpretation.

    Example: "almah" in Hebrew Is 7:14 MAY be legitimately translated "maiden, virgin, young woman". Inexact. BUT in the Greek "parthenos" always meant a "virgin" (as in vestal virgins who served in the Parthenon in Athens).

    So when translating the inexact, we can word it more accurately with using the scientific method and the exactness of the NT.
     
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    Ken4JC,

    I have a major problem with your logic.

    You kept refering to your personal choice, your personal faith, yada yada yada.

    The problem is that personal experience is just that, personal. There is no way to measure it subjectively, there is no way to compare it to like things, there is no way to prove it right or wrong. And, unfortunately, that is all that the KJVO movement has to go on.

    I do not by any means doubt your faith or salvation. In fact, I am assured of the fact of Whose you are in the very way that you stand for what you feel is right in His eyes. But blind faith in something that has no basis in reality (KJVOnlyism) is nothing more than blind faith, period.

    I don't understand your reasoning concerning science and modern versions, or science in general. Maybe it's me (been a long day), but I just don't see your point in all of it.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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