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Featured What Bothers You About the Supremacy of God

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Particular, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. HeirofSalvation

    HeirofSalvation Well-Known Member
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    Absolutely nothing.
    Most likely no one on this board is bothered by this.

    It is a source of comfort and hope for the believer, without it, we face an uncertain and terrifying future.
     
  2. Particular

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    A person who demands free-will acceptance or rejection of salvation inherently has a problem with the Supremacy of God.
     
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    No they dont.
     
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    Yet, just within this thread there are at least five people that reject Calvinism and flat out affirm they don't have a problem with the Supremacy of God. Number of free will people in this thread that have said they have a problem with it? Zero. Then you call us liars.

    Number of Calvinists that have stated they have a problem with the Supremacy of God? One. You.

    Nice thread ya got here.
     
  5. Particular

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    Sure they do. They just try to ignore it or are ignorant of the conflict.
     
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    Well thank God you are smarter than us all.
     
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    I'm the only one telling the truth.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    The pride and arrogance is astounding
     
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    O.K. ITL.....
    It seems there's now a number 7

    #7 You're just a liar.

    Moreover, nobody "DEMANDS" that man have freedom of will.
    No moreso, than it is appropriate to claim that you "DEMAND" that all things be exhaustively determined.
    Presumably, you have a sincerely held belief that that is the testimony of the Scriptures.

    Is it not also reasonable to extend the assumption that those who believe in contra-causal free will do so because they have a sincerely held belief that it is the testimony of Scripture?
    Also, for most people, I would argue that it seems, on its face to be true. That is to say, most people naturally believe (they feel as though) they are making free choices and could in any given situation have done otherwise.
    One must believe that that mental state is illusory or deny it (and on top of that, that God allows men to be deceived about it for some reason).

    It would require a strong Biblical case against the existence of contra-causal freedom to deny it, and for most people, that has never been convincingly demonstrated.

    Do we "DEMAND" there be freedom of will?
    No, but if I tell you I have a headache than you need to give me awfully good reasons to deny that I do and tell me to trust you (who has no access to my mental states) as opposed to my own lying perceptions.
     
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    I know. You amaze me.
     
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    What is "contra-casual" free will? Is it something created in Nicaragua during the 1980s?
    Sorry, I am unaware of the myriads of nuances going on here. It's almost like talking to atheists who then declare that they are utilitarian agnostic/atheists or some other minute difference from some other non-belief label. I can't keep up with the post-modern emotional label fest that is going on. It's like talking to the alphabet soup coalition of LGBTQIAXYZ community. So many labels that everyone is bound to be offended.
     
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    HUH????

    Contra-causal free will is:
    An essential and basic definition striking at the heart of the Calvinist/ non-Calvinist debate, ignorance of which is pretty much sufficient proof that you are simply unqualified to seriously debate the topic either one on one or on an internet forum.

    Google it.
    If you don't know what it is, you should not be starting threads on this topic of Theology.
     
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    Apparently he is not well read.
     
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    Give me a break.
    Let's go to scripture and exegete God's word. Anything else is foolish human babbling.
    Since free-will is a foreign concept in scripture, I could understand why you would want to avoid the Bible and get lost in Google.
     
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    You are correct. I don't waste my time on philosophical distinctions that have no root in scripture.
     
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    Just use that amazing mind reading ability you possess.
     
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    I can't take him seriously.
     
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    LOL....
    You self-admittedly do not know the meaning of "free will", (or at least how various expressions of the idea is used in discussion) i.e. "contra-causal free will", a term anyone meaningfully well versed on the topic knows, so how do you know it is a foreign concept in Scripture? :Wink
     
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    You can't know that unless you know what the terms mean. :D
     
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