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What did Job know?

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Helen, Nov 29, 2002.

  1. Helen

    Helen <img src =/Helen2.gif>

    Aug 29, 2001
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    Looking through Job for something this morning, I found the following, which I had underlined before and forgot to bring up when I needed it here earlier. We know that Job declared that he knew his Redeemer lived, but take a look at this from 16:18-21

    O earth, do not cover my blood;
    may my cry never be laid to rest!
    Even now my witness is in heaven;
    my advocate is on high.
    My intercessor is my friend
    as my eyes pour out tears to God;
    on behalf of a man he pleads with God
    as a man pleads for his friend.

    Even if the 'Gospel in the Stars' is rejected (and, I think, unrightly), we have clear evidence here that all along man knew about the function of the Messiah and His reality: Redeemer, Intercessor, Friend. Isaiah knew quite well He would also be God.

    We do them a real disservice to follow the concept that they were somehow ignorant of the saving grace of God and the actual Person of Christ preincarnate.

    So many times people say the Trinity was not known in the OT. It may have been forgotten by the Jews, but it was clearly there at least until the time of David, via Psalm 2 and others.

    In short, salvation has been available to all the people through all time, and always through the Promise of God -- The Messiah Jesus Christ.
  2. KenH

    KenH Active Member

    May 18, 2002
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    Amen, and amen, sister Helen. [​IMG]

  3. Chrift

    Chrift New Member

    Nov 23, 2002
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    It sure has. Wasn't even finished handing out curses in Eden when he promised "...And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring [1] and hers;
    he will crush [2] your head,
    and you will strike his heel."

    The promise of a Savior was made in Eden. Faith in the one to come saved the people of the Old Testament. Slaughtering animals didn't save them, but reminded them of what was to come.
  4. BobRyan

    BobRyan Active Member

    Aug 27, 2002
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    Non Baptist Christian
    That is true - and the list of the saints in Hebrews 11 proves it.

    Gal 3:7 the Gospel was preached "beforehand to Abrham".

    Hebrews 4:1-2 "The Gospel was preached to US just as to them also" ("Them" being Israel in the wilderness for 40 years).

    (and lots more could be added along those lines).


    However - that entire line of truth presents a HUGE problem.

    And it starts here - Gal 1:6-9 there is only ONE Gospel.

    It continues with the point of John 1 that no one has seen the FAther at any time - which means the "I AM" that was "seen" in the OT - was in fact - God the Son. They were seeing, worshipping and believing, and serving the Messiah - the Christ - as almighty God - AS WELL as believing in the future coming of the Messiah.

    As I say - this poses a HUGE problem for the dispensational view that requires "Two" Gospels.

    In Christ,

  5. Chrift

    Chrift New Member

    Nov 23, 2002
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    Here is more if any are interested:

    God reveals Himself as Triune at creation:

    Holy Spirit-"and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

    Jesus-The Word(John 1:1-18)

    Also-"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness"


    Gen. 12:3, Gen.18:18, Gen,22:18, Gen 26:4, Gen.28:14 -- Now read Gal. 3:16


    Gen. 49:10


    Job 19:25