What difference does 270 years make?

"Remember population has been growing exponentially, which favors the KJV."
The Vulgate remained the main Catholic Bible worldwide well into the 20th century, even nowadays it is still a widely used for liturgical purposes.

"Most Catholics didn't read the vulgate, including many in the clergy."
Right on the first point wrong on the second.
The amount of Bible any priest is supposed read daily was (and is) huge. The required daily readings were gathered in the Brevarium, a book of prayers that for the largest part consisted of citations from the Vulgate. The Catholic Church is the largest faction of Christians in the world and has been that for centuries. That's a LOT of Vulgate being read, quoted, believed, memorized, studied and loved.

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


rsr,

you quoted:
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"A" happens.

Then "B" happens.

Automatically, it necessarily follows that "A" caused "B."
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Again, using man's methods to prove a point. I am not in the least bit surprised, and expected as much. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Again you are comparing apples to oranges and saying it is logical. Again, how was Eve deceived by the serpent? Would you conclude that she fell away from faith? Why? And what was the result?

Remember rsr, God will hold you to account for every word you have spoken. To say there is no need to weep because of the apostacy is a very foreign attitude to me.

May the Lord richly bless you.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
michelle

 

peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,

rsr,

You quoted:

I didn't say you should not weep over apostacy; you just define apostacy as anything other than the KJV.
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Why are you avoiding answering the questions rsr? Also, what is your definition of apostacy? Where have I claimed that apostacy is anything other than the KJV? I have said that it has attributed to it. I also said I believe that it is not the only cause of it. I again, ask you with sisterly love and kindness to stop implying that I have said things I have not said.

May the Lord richly bless you, rsr.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Mioque,

You quoted:

The Catholic Church is the largest faction of Christians in the world and has been that for centuries. That's a LOT of Vulgate being read, quoted, believed, memorized, studied and loved.
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The first problem with this statement is to assume that the Catholic Church is christian. Although the roots of it were based on christianity, they are, and have been (from around the year 300 A.D.)paganism. Their doctrines and beliefs are contrary to the truth in God's word. This is what happens when one adds to, or takes away from God's truth. In no way, shape, or form, can they be considered christians.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Hi Michelle,
in reality the Church of Rome represents an amalgamation of paganism and Christianity.

Would you be surprised to know that we share a great deal of orthodox Christian doctrine with them. e.g. The doctrine of the Trinity, the Incarnation of Christ, the Hypostatic Union of the human and divine natures of Christ.

Doctrines fully developed well after the year 300AD. For instance The Hypostatic Union was definitively established by the Council of Chalcedon (451AD).

For the most part all Trinitarian believers hold these exact doctrine in common to this day (although the Greek Orthodox have a difference of opinion with the West concerning the "procession" of the Holy Spirit, whether proceeding out of the Father or the Father and the Son).

HankD

 

Those who promote the MVs do not verbally slay their brethren or question the salvation of those who chose the KJV simply because of their choice of Bible.

Those who speak with the KJV lisp (who say "believeth" instead of "believes" for instance) are the ones who are continually on a Crusade/Inquisition here at the BB verbally garroting and burning the innocent, calling their Bibles "satanic counterfeits" and "antichrist bibles" until the BB owners brought it to a halt.

True, some MVers returned in like kind after they were attacked.

Judges 12
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

HankD

 

Amen, Brother HandD -- Preach it!

 

Run for cover Ed! INCOMING!!

HankD

 

Ephesians 6:13-17 (KJV1769):

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,
that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day,
and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be
able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit,
which is the word of God:

I don't fight fair, i keep a bunch
of MV dirks in my belt, strapped
to each arm, strapped to each leg

 

Michelle
"The first problem with this statement is to assume that the Catholic Church is christian."
For the limited purpose of this discussion (christians as in a group that uses a specific Bible version) they are.

"In no way, shape, or form, can they be considered christians."
Michelle by your perceived standards a number of denominations commonly thought of as Christians by themselves aren't Christians. Including Eastern-Orthodox and Oriental-Orthodox Christianity.

 

And don't forget about the COE (Church of England).

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Now I have something to quote to you all, ecspecially you Hank, in response to your above post.

It is written:
Ezekiel 33:1-7

1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

You should also read the rest of this passage.

and..

It is written:
Mark 13:34

34 For the Son of man is a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servents, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Acts 20:26-32
26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, bretheren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Eph. 6:12-13
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all to stand.

Rev.3:2-3
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

May the Lord richly bless you all!

love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Hiya Brother Ricky! Thank you for explaining those things to me. I was unaware of some of those things, and you have helped me to better understand.

Yes, I do also agree that Isaiah 4 might be relevant to the conversation of those who thought themselves to be christians. It is also interesting to note, where it is placed in the text - prior to the millenial reign of Christ.

Yes, I also would rather the old paths of the christian, than that of the new. I think you and I both know where the new path leads?

2Thess.2:9-15
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, bretheren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore bretheren, stand fast, and hold the traditions ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

I sure am glad that I trust only in God and every word of God that he has lovingly provided and preserved for us to keep us in his will and his presence. Praise and thanksgiving to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!

May the Lord richly bless you all!

love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
michelle

 

Precepts: "I have yet to see an 1873 KJB."

Here is the best I can do for you:

Today's Parallel Bible (Zondervan, 2000)
ISBN 0-310-91836-7
Buy Today's Parallel Bible

 

Dear Michelle, No problem with any of your Scripture citations.

My problem with many KJVO has to do with the method of delivery more than the message (although I disagree with several elements of the message).

Brother Ricky,

I will agree that many liberal users of MVs have little or no evidence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in their life but then again neither do many of those who are the self-proclaimed "defenders" of the Word of God.

Personally I believe God to be able to defend His Word without our help and/or the Spirit of God to lead and teach His children all truth from whatever version of the Bible without our interference.

Or to paraphrase Spurgeon:
We are not called to defend the Word of God but to proclaim it.

However, since we are all (to one degree or another) involved in this exercise of defending the indefensible here at the Bible-Versions Forum, then if perhaps this were an acceptable endeavor for the sake of God and His Word, shouldn't we be obedient to His method(s) of delivery of that Word or it's defense?


2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Titus 3
2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

No doubt many of us have been saved out of a machismo background, we must put off the old man, we can't obtain the godly result without the godly method according to the Scriptures (IMO).

Another no doubt: no doubt God does call some to be "warriors" but even that calling (such as the stephen's response to his stoners) there is no insult or innuendo but a stinging statement of fact of which I will admit you are quite capable.

It ought to be the exception and not the norm (IMO).

Take Will for instance, he does an excellent job of research to show the weakness of a given Aleph/B variant then throws the fly of insult/innuendo into the ointment at the end, although he has improved (FWIW).

HankD

 

You guys are hilarious ... This thread began with a made up argument about the KJV and has drawn four pages of discussion as people try to defend the nonsense that this thread started with. The first page gave all the info needed to reject the first post as absurd. Yet some will still defend it call into question the salvation of those who love the word of God in modern versions. Some have started with faulty doctrine and then defend it in the face of the truth that has refuted it. What a sad day it is in Christianity when this type of stuff garners four pages of discussion.

Folks, we need to love the truth more than we love these man made doctrines ... We need to abandon the teachings of men that have erroneously and without any scriptural proof whatsoever taught that the KJV is the only acceptable word of God. It is time for all those who love God and his word to emphatically and finally dissociate themselves from this errant doctrine of the KJVOnlyism.