What do people in heaven.....

I disagree. Those martyred knew that their deaths were not avenged yet, and they asked when it was going to take place. Clearly they knew what was going on here.
Rev. 6:10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

While they may be the only ones, we don't know, but I believe if it brings honor and glory to God to allow someone in Heaven to witness what happens here on earth, there is nothing superstitious or "spiritualistic" about that. I can see God pulling someone aside in Heaven to witness the rebirth of a person they shared the Gospel with or allowing a first time grandmother who passed away during the pregnancy of their daughter to witness the birth. This all aligns with God's character, and does not violate this or His Word.

I was able to witness a pastor give the eulogy at his father's funeral. His father was born deaf. The pastor truly believed that his message was the first his father ever heard him preach.

 

I don't have a definitive answer to this question. I can make a few speculations. If I can look back to earth, I just might be sad, and I can't see sadness in heaven. I just might see those who mistreated me, and seek justice. I doubt if vengeance will be a part of my heavenly nature.

I do know that I will bow before my King and Saviour Jesus Christ and rejoice always in Him and delight in His presence.

Will it be a new city and earth such as we know it now and societies set up to sojourn under His jurisdiction? Perhaps.

I know that I will be at absolute peace and joy for all eternity and whatever God has in store for me will greatly benefit me as I see Him.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Since Scripture doesn't contradict (Rev. 6:10), this is speaking of the body being in the ground and not the "person".

 

So when we die we're basically mechanical souls without emotions etc...? I think that verse isn't about the hereafter as much about how once your dead you don't interact with the living. It almost seems that there is a close relationship between the Jewish version of the after life in these verses and the early Greek View of Hades. Both were just a gathering place of the dead. Good, bad or indifferent.

 

Where do you see an opinion? I see them asking God when He will avenge their deaths, not that He should or how to avenge their deaths. It's apparent this has already been told to them that this would happen. No contradiction.

 

Whoever said that? When we die, our bodies go to the grave, "we" go to be with the Lord until the resurrection. All memories, emotions, etc. go with us, they don't stay in the grave. That is how those under the throne were able to remember what happened to them, and are apparently anxious about God doing what He promised...all while their bodies were in the grave.

 

I'm just referring to your quote:

This verse isn't a good verse to whether those with the Lord are viewing things on earth or not. Which ultimately is my point. Its stating the dead are not here and resembles the Greek view of the dead. is all I'm saying.

 

Sure, here it is. There are newer versions but they all contain the communion of saints language.

 

Float around on clouds and play golden harps while wearing white robes.

 

I don't have a link that posts scriptures explaining the Apostles Creed. However, Albert Mohler, President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, did a series of sermons that cover the entire creed and posted them on his website in MP3 format. If you go there, these sermons start 8/21/2007 and end 11/21/2008. Here is the link: http://www.albertmohler.com/audio_list.php

 

I agree with Amy and Scarlett O. on this.

 

They can see if God is avenging their deaths or not. This does not indicate in any way they can see what is happening on earth. This verse is not support for saying people in heaven can see us on earth.

Well, it sounds like something that appeals to you, but that does not make it true.

So he "truly believed" it - that means nothing. People believe all kinds of stuff that are not true.

 

I agree with the three of you.

 

There is so much evidence, that when the evidence is listed, people get bored. Evidently more people are interested in chanting their mantra: "Show us the evidence of a pretribulational rapture" then inspecting that evidence when it is presented.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=54854&page=9

post #86 and #87 shows 13 reasons just on a study of just ONE word in the New Testament. Nobody even acknowledged that the posts exist.