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What do teens think of Christian Rock and other forms of CCM

Discussion in 'Youth Forum' started by Guitar25, Feb 24, 2005.

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  1. I love it, i think it's a great thing

    46.9%
  2. I enjoy it somewhat

    12.5%
  3. I tolerate it, i don't really enjoy it though

    40.6%
  4. I hate it, its appalling

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  1. Mr Mike

    Mr Mike New Member

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    I don't know if I would be using the av1611 website as a source. As a word of advice ... when looking for verifiable information, you probably are being misled when the writer has to use "special" "quotes" to add "empasis" to every other "word".

    They have to use bold italic words in ALL CAPS to make their point.

    Then ... quoting ... break ... after break... that ... know ... was ... said

    By the way what I actually said was:

    (Then when they begin quoting someone they have to use break after break after break so that no one could possibly know what the person being quoted actually said in the context of the quote)
     
  2. MargoWriter

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    It's not a southern thing, because I grew up in Maine and I don't agree with CCM or Christian rock.

    (Not a teen, but was one just a few years ago.)
     
  3. MissAbbyIFBaptist

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    Hey Miss Margo, I was looking at your profile, and you go to church about five minutes from my house! Who would have thought a Baptist Board member was so close to me! :D [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  4. Britney

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    welcome Margo
     
  5. amazinglove92

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    where is Trotter when you need him?

    I am going to join Becca on that small kinda scary limb, seeing as their are so few ccmers here, and say I also like ccm.

    I read that crocker website and I was not impressed. A lot of the ccm he is talking about is the older stuff.
    I find it hard to believe that you have a problem with Caedmons Call for being out there in India doing stuff Baptist missionaries can not do. India is not open to missionaries, however it is open to musicians. They are working hard to free the Dalit. (I can plug you with more information if you would like.)
    I personally find it disgusting when artist's who are living for God and striving to please Him are sniffed at because their music standards are not as high as yours.
     
  6. jlee12489

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    Yeah, you're right, many CCM musicians strive to please God. But there are also many who don't.

    I don't like CCM because of the testimony many of the CCM bands/singers have. Many CCM bands/singers have converted from Christian rock to regular rock n roll. For example, Switchfoot, a Christian band, has turned from Christian to secular music. Other musicians like Amy Grant clearly show that many CCM musicians sing for their fleshly desires and not for God.

    Also, CLEAR evidence that CCM appeals to the flesh is that many people at my school listen to it. They (non-christians) listen to it for the beat and tune. Also, many people who listen to Christian rock don't even know its Christian music until they look up the lyrics. Our school (public) doesn't allow prayer but allows Christian music because.. well..there's no difference.


    My opinions against "foreign CCM" type music or whatever(such as Caedmos Call as you mentioned) are different in a way because of the fact that music is the only option in their country. But for America, i guess thats a different story?

    Well, that was my two cents and God bless
     
  7. Guitar25

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    Wait, back up. this part confuses me. CCM stands for Christian Contemporary Music. How can you not use CCM to glorify the Lord?
     
  8. Guitar25

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    Ok i read that website and i think that it has mis-information. Yes the bible says not to conform to this world, however all music is of this world whether is rock or rap or R&B or even the hymnal type styles. All music is of this world. Just because the music is rock doesn't mean its not christian. Christian Rock, Christian Rap, CCM, Praise music, they all glorify God in a different style. That website named a few artists (and when i say a few im referring to the whole genre). There are hundreds if not thousands of artist who's rock and praise and even rap, though i dont care for rap in general, are praising god. To name some

    Thousand Foot Krutch
    Relient K
    Pillar
    Skillet
    Paul Coleman Trio
    Disciple
    Stifle the Folly
    Sonic Flood
    Newsboys
    Matt Redman
    Fusebox
    Jonah 33
    Day of Fire
    Kutless
    Jars of Clay
    Plankeye
    Stevenson
    Audio Adrenalin
    OC Supertones

    Those are only a few whos christian rock and ccm songs glorify the name of God, of Jesus Christ, and of all Christian aspects that glorify God. Not only that but some speak of the hardships and adversities of the Christian life that the Bible tells us we will face.

    Heres a song by the christian rock band Disiple. Its a song called Not Rock Stars. Pls tell me how this song is satanic in any way.

    Artist: Disciple
    Album: By God
    Song: Not Rock Stars

    Servants of the Most High

    I am just a man with as many problems
    As anyone who has lived
    And I have faced temptations
    Some I pass and some I fail
    I know what it's like to be on the mountain
    And in the deep abyss
    And I know what it's like
    To be rescued from the stronghold of hell

    When I have not humbled myself
    God has humbled me
    And I'm so far from knowing it all
    Cause He's still teaching me
    But I want to share the love He gave
    So we all could be not of this world
    Not of this world

    Servants of the Most High, not rock stars
    New creatures in Christ, not rock stars (2x)

    We are meant to be examples
    And not idols to be praised
    We are just one of the many parts
    Of the body of God
    We're not here for our own glory
    We're not here to steal from you
    But our prayer from our heart
    Is that you'll find God and see the truth

    There is something greater
    Than anything that money can buy
    The privilege and the honor
    To preach the gospel of Jesus Christ
    And we want to share the love He gave
    So we all could be not of this world
    Not of this world

    Servants of the Most High, not rock stars
    New creatures in Christ, not rock stars (2x)
    Servants of the Most High, not rock stars
    New creatures in Christ, not rock stars (2x)


    This song is heavy hard rock with the message of giving all the glory to God.

    Its true that everyone has there own opinion, i wont knock you for it and i wont try to change your mind but im making it clear that because its rock doesn't mean its not christian, no matter what anyone says. The only person that can say that is God himself and i wait for the day that he tells me otherwise face to face. untill then i'll keep on rockin

    [ March 10, 2005, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: SaggyWoman ]
     
  9. Britney

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    Apparently you dont think to much of God since you didnt capitalize the g.
     
  10. J.A.B.

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    thats probably just a typo
     
  11. amazinglove92

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    Apparently you dont think to much of God since you didnt capitalize the g. </font>[/QUOTE]That was rather wrong, my friend. What we think of God is not contained by how we capitilize, or that is, do not capitilize his name.
     
  12. amazinglove92

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    You are correct ccm does have its weaknesses. Some bands and people just get into it for a stepping stone into secular. In fact my main man Charlie Peacock put out a book on this subject, so check it out sometime.

    I do not think it is correct, or your place, for you to judge artists on whether they are Christian enough.

    I also challenge you to find me Christian artists who are living in known sin. You say there are many. You have named Amy Grant. Switchfoot never claimed to be a Christian band. They only have positive music, definitely not Christian. If you name Michael W. Smith, I am going to scream! That was a long time ago that he was on cocaine, let that man be stop throwing that in his face all the time!

    There is a definite tendency, as all the musicians on this board can agree with, to sing music for your own please. Is this not true? You have to constantly remind yourself the "why for" and the "for what purpose" of your music. It is hard to get your pride into subjection to the Spirit. So yes I agree with you some artists sing for their fleshly pleasure's but to be honest some times I do that as well.
     
  13. Bound4Glory

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    I have heard all of this before.
    I used to have a teacher that was a youth pastor..he played "christian rock" in class alot. No one knew it was Christian..why?...because you couldnt understand the lyrics. I agree that many CCM songs and even Christian rock songs may have good Christian lyrics.. but when put to the music..it changes everything. Me and Britney both are strongly against secular music including CCM and "Christian rock", we go to a small school and just about 60 percent of our grade goes to a church that listens and plays this kinda of music. these are the same kids that degrade the name of Christ every day. Things like "Jesus is there Homeboy" flood out of their mouths, some will even wear Christian shirts on their backs but out of there mouths come vulgarity. Oh I know that our Church isnt perfect..that youth at our church do some of the same things.. but I also know that out of there church has come very little fruit. If any at all. On wednesday nights, intead of haveing a Concert..we have preaching. Instead of people banging their heads to the beat, we have kids pouring their hearts out on the altar. You can say what you want about me and my veiws. But Im only speaking as a Christian who only wants to worship my Lord in Savior the way He intended us all to.
    Katelyn
     
  14. Guitar25

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    Apparently you dont think to much of God since you didnt capitalize the g. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you joking? You take things a little to literally. It is as jab said a typo, its hard to type with the keyboard im using. But God is a huge part of my life, in fact the biggest so dont ever think that i dont think highly of God or Christ.
     
  15. JesusInFirstPlace

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    The thing is that people with the "Jesus is my Homeboy" shirts do not have respect for Christ (in my opinion). That doesn't mean that they listen to CCM and CHR...and even if they do, that doesn't mean that everyone who worships to CCM is disrespectful to Jesus.

    And you can't have listened to very much good CCM if you believe that you can't understand the lyrics, or that people head-band to it.
     
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    Yikes- I am really bad at this editing thing...by "head-band," I mean head-bang...

    Later!
     
  17. Guitar25

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    Apparently you dont think to much of God since you didnt capitalize the g. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you joking? You take things a little to literally. It is as jab said a typo, its hard to type with the keyboard im using. But God is a huge part of my life, in fact the biggest so dont ever think that i dont think highly of God or Christ.
     
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    That doesn't make much sense. CCM and Christian rock arent secular music. I agree with you to the point of the vulgarity issue, I myself have had problems with it in the past but thats the past and i know that i've been forgiven. I also agree in that i dont listen to most secular music. But CCM and Christian Rock and other forms of it aren't secular music.
     
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    I was talking about "christian rock" when I said that about the head banging.
    And you are right about the fact that not every one that listens to that music is disrecpective to Christi..but..I have noticed also that everyone that does listen to both CCM and "Christian rock" do not live in a manner that the Bible says we should..in many different ways. Most everyone of those songs sound just like some secular song or another. My mom listens to CCM and when I get in her car I hear it. I almost always have to look at the radio before I know if it is supposed to be a "Christian" song. I admit that SOME CCM songs are ok..but very few..the beat/music as ALOT to do with it. I just rather be safe and not listen to any of it. That is my opinion. If it offends you..well..I am not sorry.
    I believe what I believe because I feel in my heart Christ has made these things clear to me.
    If you dont agree..well there isnt much I can do about that.
    But..I do incourage you CCM and "Christian rockers" to pray and think about what you are taking in.
    oh by the way..IF a certian type of music is played on a secular station..I consider it "Secular" music.

    Anyways.I hope Im done debating this subject..It really becomes tiring sometimes. So if ya'll are done..Im done.

    Katelyn
     
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