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what do you say about these verses?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by SBGrace, Sep 3, 2005.

  1. SBGrace

    SBGrace New Member

    Jan 9, 2004
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    "Originally posted by Doc1932:
    I agree with pappy on most points.
    Its most likely why God has devastated New Orleans and Biloxi.

    God couldn't have picked two better cities to make an example of, although he could have put sanfran in there somehow and really made a point.

    As Pat Robertson said "New Orleans has been trying God's patience for decades"

    I noticed these words by Doc1932 in another thread and wanted your opinion on these verses...... I noticed you agreed with him....

    Luke 13............

    There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
    2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
    3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
    4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
    5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    [ September 03, 2005, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]
  2. I Am Blessed 24

    I Am Blessed 24 Active Member

    Jan 2, 2003
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    Names of board members are not allowed in the subject line.

    "Pappy" is a 14-year-old boy...
  3. Martin

    Martin Active Member

    Jan 1, 2005
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    I am constantly hearing two claims on the hurricane and I believe both are error. The first is that it is the judgment of God for the sinful nature of the city, the second is that it is just a random event.

    Let's deal with the second first. There is no such thing, in a Sovereign God's universe, as a random event. All events have a purpose and a meaning. While it is certainly true that New Orleans was going to get hit by a major hurricane one day (as will most southern coastal states) it would be wrong to say it is random. God is in control of the universe. That is shown throughout the entire Bible.

    Now to the more interesting of topics, judgment. Is the hurricane the judgment of God? I think a Biblical answer is yes and no. Yes it is the judgment of God upon sin, as all storms (etc) are. The earth is under a curse and storms are a result of that curse. However I don't believe the hurricane is a judgment on New Orleans in the same way God judged Sodom and Gomorrah. Why not? Because God always warns His people (ie...Lot, Noah, etc). As it is in New Orleans many of the wicked escaped while many of the godly, who happened to be poor or elderly, could not. Think about Sodom when God judged that city directly for its sins. God warned Lot and his family to escape, even forced them to escape (Gen 19:12-22). As far as we know NO warning was given to the wicked and none of them escaped even though the righteous did. The same with Noah and the flood. The righteous were warned and escaped while there was no escape for the wicked. In New Orleans there was plenty escape for the wicked. Many of the gamblers (etc) easily got out of town. They are not down on the street with no water or food. In other words in New Orleans the wicked escaped and many of the righteous did not. Therefore I don't believe this was a direct judgment on New Orleans (etc). Was this a judgment? Yes. It is part of God's judgment on a sin cursed earth. However one day the curse will be removed.

    In Christ,
  4. Doc1932

    Doc1932 New Member

    Dec 1, 2004
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    Katrina is just another wake up call, a tap on the shoulder you might say. If God had really judged them there would be nothing left.

    The same goes for the events of 9-11, god was taping us on the shoulders saying "hello" .

    I found it very odd that within minutes of the events of 9-11, that almost every major religious figure in the world. Osama Bin Laden, Jerry Falwell, the pope, Pat Robertson all said the same thing.

    "That this is punishment for turning our backs on God, and putting up with homosexuality the way we do".

    When we start enforcing the biblical laws of God like Iran and some of the other muslim nation, public executions for adulterers and homosexuals and theives. Then God will shine on us again.
  5. Frogman

    Frogman <img src="http://www.churches.net/churches/fubc/Fr

    Jan 15, 2001
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    Per BB guidelines, which I am given partial responsibility to uphold along with fellow moderators, and in accordance to at least three requests, I am locking this thread as it is here and moving it to the Men's Private Forum.

    Bro. Dallas Eaton
    (frogman co-moderator) [​IMG]

    Btw, is it really believed that God did this in a show of judgment?

    Then why would we believe 'we must uphold His Laws', when the Bible testifies to us that God alone uholds HIS LAW (Matt. 5:17)?

    Do you really believe God is shining on Muslim Nations? Does HE no longer make the sun and rain to shine and fall upon the just and the unjust alike?

    If God is not upholding HIS LAW any longer and man must do it, then neither this event, nor 9-11 were judgments of God.

    Think about it. :rolleyes: