What do you think of Peter Ruckman?

I never realized they even existed.

 

Uh, excuse me, but unless I am reading you wrong, you are putting a 'man' on a stage where he does not belong. One view of his website indicates that he is not strong on theology, but he is just plain egotistical. Anybody who would say 'Spurgeon is a strong Ruckmanite' (or something to that effect) has a bigger problem and sound much more like a cult leader than a good Bible teacher. Don't forget, David Koresh could quote whole sections of the Bible with incredible accuracy and locate doctrine that fit his beliefs so fast his students could not keep up. Ruckman appears to have a similar personality and his egotism goes beyond to the level of racial hatred. Correcting those people you disagree with in a strong way is not in coherence with Jesus' love your neighbor philosophy. Ruckman is not Jesus, nor does he act like him; however, we are all sinners without his blood, myself included.

I do have a problem with anybody calling the Word of God in a different translation as coming from 'Satan'. It appeared he calls other translations perversions and although there may be inaccuracies, the KJV is just a translation too. Only the original manuscripts in their original language are inspired. If other translations confess Jesus Christ is the only Son of God and He is the only way to heaven, He was born of a virgin and He died and rose again on the third day, then I would be very much afraid to say that it is a perversion from Satan. Scarey and cultish----indeed!

 

I am not appreciative of Ruckman or his false teachings....his attitude and vulgar language alone give me cause to question his closeness to God....the material I have read disgusts me....

I do however feel that the KJV is the best translation but not exclusive for salvation....

 

A nut-case, way too much chaulk dust!

 

Ruckman is a rough old boy all right. I studied under him for years. I will admit that he carries the KJV only doctrine to the point that he believes everyone who isn't using it is the enemy.
I've heard him prach a thousand time and read all of his books. My main problem with him is his horrible attitude toward anyone who does'nt tow the line with his particular brand of hyper-dipensationalism.Like, old testament saints were saved by faith and works and they are not part of the body of Christ(even Scofield isn'nt that stupid)and people in the tribulation are saved by faith and works and people in the millenium are saved by works alone. If you don't believe he teachs these things call him and ask him or read his books. If you're ever around a church where there are a lot of his disciples you'll find the most arrogant people you'll ever meet. I know, I used to be one of them.

 

How many of you that are bad mouthing Dr. Ruckman ever been to his church?? raise your hand...

How many have actually sat down with the man and talked to him?? lets see the hands

[Moderator Note: Edited for offensive language]

Some you can't take ruff, PLAIN talk?? He hurt your feelings cause he kicked something you enjoy?? said something in a way that you didn't agree with?? Don't join the Marines.

I have been to his church and the people that go there ARE NOT ARROGANT, not in the least bit.

They are humble, They soul win.. they street preach.. they serve God like no other church I know or have seen.

They are the most on fire, joyfull, loving christians i have ever come across. I have never seen people so happy about the Lord and salvation before.

If you drive around Pensacola you know the people who go to his church..they are the ones with scripture verses plastered all over their cars and scripture signs in front of their houses.

I have sat down with him and he is the most careing loving individual.. with a real concern for the lost and dying world..how many of you can say that?? How many of you have won the amount of souls he has to the Lord? Served the Lord the way he has??

But you know what?? All you people sitting here saying all these hateful and unchristian like things..wouldn't have the courage to face him and tell it to his face, nor would you put yourseves in debate with him..he would eat you up.

Yes call him up and tell him..his phone number is in the book..If you have a problem with him.. call.

But Do you think he really cares what You say about him? NO! all he cares about is what the Lord says about him.

I usually dont stick up for preachers especailly preachers like Ruckman because God sticks up for them well enough. but after reading this tread I was disgusted!

And some of you are preachers! ( or at least claim to be) How very..very..VERY SAD!!!

[ November 02, 2002, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Joseph Botwinick ]

 

Well said Shilo, He has probaly forgot more than most folks on here know!!! Besides, it is easy to "blast him" over the internet where he cant defend himself; but would they tell all those comments to his face????....Nah!!!!

[ November 02, 2002, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: KJVONLY ]

 

Shilo's post illustrates the truth of what I said in my post concernign the difference between those who read Ruckman and those who don't. Thanks for such a timely confirmation.

As for defending himself, he is more than welcome here on the board to defend himself. My suspicion is that he wouldn't last long because his demeanor violates the posting rules but no one is keeping him from it.

As for me, I would say these things to his face. I have heard him preach. I have read many of commentaries and books. I know firsthand what he is like and what he believes. I would have no problem at all saying it to his face.

We must remember the biblical qualifications for pastors and teachers. When we do so, that will answer the questions put forth by some here in this thread.

 

Well unlike you I didn't stereotype, or tear down personal character or make people look like dumb sheep unable to think for themselves.

I only put fourth my personal knowlegde of him and the people who attend his church.

I also called for people who were speaking unkindly to take a look at themselves before trying to tear down someone else.

What i said about him not caring about your personal opinion of him..it's the truth. He wouldn't waste 5 minutes worrying about What you thought or anyone else for that matter..

If saying that made me fit into your little hateful box.. well so be it.

[ November 02, 2002, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: shilo ]

 

Shilo, the reason Ruckman has written books, is to spread his views to people that will never have the chance to talk to him in person. Thus, his books are a reflection of him, and we can get to know the man somewhat simply by examining his writings. In his writings, he is offensive and extremist, and proclaims bizarre doctrines. That is enough for me to know how I view the man. Besides, if he is one way in his books and completely different in person, then I would simply add "two-faced" to his list of qualities.

Oh, that makes it alright then. You don't like pornography and prostitution? Don't go to some parts of most major cities. They use those things quite frequently.

I can take it. But that kind of talk is in opposition to what scripture says a teacher should be like.

I have the courage. But it would only make him sin more, so I won't.

The Lord already said, in scripture, what he thinks about that kind of attitude and speech. Ruckman doesn't care, or else he wouldn't do it.

[ November 02, 2002, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

All you people sitting here saying all these hateful and unchristian like things..wouldn't have the courage to face him and tell it to his face, nor would you put yourseves in debate with him..he would eat you up.

I have every ounce of courage it would take to say to his face what I think of him. And for whatever he wants to say to me... he would end up with more slobber on his face than I would have on mine.

 

Funny, I grew up in the Deep South, and moved back here when I came off active duty. I don't think I've heard the word in years; and the general consensus among all the Southerners whom I know is that anyone using that word to describe another person or a group of people must be an idiot - no matter how many people think he hung the moon for feeding their ignorance.

Joshua

P.S. Webmaster/Mod's - could you please edit that word out of shilo's post. It has no place in civil discourse.

 

Joshua,

Done. I am from the deep south and only the most bigoted people I know use words like this. This is unacceptable language for this board and won't be allowed in this forum.

Joseph Botwinick
Moderator

 

Isn't that what the "n word" does?

I mentioned a few pages back that I did a critique on one of Ruckman's books, and asked a Ruckman supporter if they would take an honest look at it; the Ruckman supporters never responded back. I guess they don't want to see anything that might actually put Mr. Ruckman in a bad light.

You don't claim to be a Ruckman supporter, just someone who doesn't like the way people are pointing him out to be a bad teacher/pastor. Would you care to look at the critique?

[ November 02, 2002, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Don ]

 

Sorry folks, Dr. Ruckman is a good man. I have met him, watched him preach and every time he has spoken the truth. I have never heard him say the word(s) you are accussing him of. If he did, he may have been quoting someone or not using it in a negative way, I don't know. If you all have some literature please let me know.

Point is, we all sin daily, we just need to ask the good Lord to forgive us.

P.S. Good posts shilo. You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

Homebound? Care to look over the critique?

 

If you are talking about the previous posts, then I have. But, as shilo said, have many have actually talked to the man.

 

Nope, sorry; was talking about a critique of Ruckman's book "The Mark of the Beast."

 

Did you notice very many black people @ his church? Just curious.

 

as a matter of fact...it was a African/american pastor that first turned me on to Ruckman. When I attended Dr. Ruckman's church there were quite a few African/ americans in attendance.

One of the last services I went to, was a blow out. a Nigerian pastor was there singing for the Lord in the pulpit. He was one of the many that Ruckman's missions supports.

Don, I own "The Mark of the Beast" perhaps you can give page refereces to what you are talking about. I found the book to be outstanding.

Joshua..I don't like the "N" word either but it's used. by Blacks (Oh yes, i have heard it MANY times used by blacks while speaking to each other) As well as Whites.

Now your saying the general consensus where your from is the people who use the word MUST be idiots.. now who is the one being a bigot??

Your intolerance and name calling of someone for using the word, is just a bigoted and ignorant as you think it is of them for using it.

WORKS BOTH WAYS.

(not trying to ruffle feathers..makig a point)

Don't get me wrong I don't use the word and don't like it..I just don't crucify people over using words that I personaly don't like.

[ November 03, 2002, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: shilo ]