What does ETERNAL mean?

and that's it...why should i worry about any 'relationship' with Christ? i'm already saved right? i already have my 'get out of jail free card', so i'm good on any decision i make from here on out...

my mother even told me just a month ago, that since she's saved, she can sit at home and do nothing...not pick up a bible, not attend one church service...do NOTHING...no feeding or clothing the poor, not even praying...(obviously she is very active in her church, btw...she was just making a point), but what a dead faith that is...but this IS true about her, bless her heart, but she is the most self righetous and holier than thou person I know...but I love her anyway...

In XC
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Recall that the particular error that you mention is only central to a certain group of OSAS people.

1. 4-point Calvinists
2. Certain (very confused) Arminians stuck making a Calvinist argument.

The rest of the OSAS guys actuall accept the Bible doctrine in Rom 2:6 on perseverance of the saints.

Bob

 

TO THE RESIDENT BB ARMINIANS...WHAT DOES ETERNAL MEAN? (Yes, I am shouting...you seem to either be deaf or refuse to answer this simple question).

 

To my fellow arminians "what does WORLD MEAN"??

As for eternal as found in 1John 5 -- it means that as long as one believes in Christ they have eternal life -- for 1John 5 does NOT promise that those who DO NOT believe in Christ ALSO have it.

(Nor can 1John 5 be bent in such a way as to negate Rom 11, Matt 18, Ezek 18, John 15, Gal 5:4... )

Obviously.

 

Eternal in 1John 5 means... ready? wait for it...here it comes again

HEre are two posts that explain more
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1513479&postcount=32

 

Let it be known that BobRyan believe eternal means something other than eternal, it really means conditional ("...as long as one...").

 

John is the one that states the condition in 1John 5.

Paul states the condition in Romans 11.

I just report the news.

 

How can you say Jesus saved you, He paid it all, etc and then say, "I'm going to heaven because I...? If you are going to heaven because of something you did, then Jesus didn't really save you, you saved yourself.

 

Do you have faith in Christ? (I'm not asking where it came from, but OUR faith is required to meet God's condition).

 

Adam,
You state in your profile, concerning your own salvation:

If you are saved solely on the merits of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, then how do you know you are saved? When did this happen? What evidence do you have? Are you sure it happened?
Really, how do you know that you are saved?

I know I am saved because I believed. There was a time, a place, when I put my faith in the sacrificial work of Christ. But if you didn't do that, then according to your own testimony what happened? How was the righteousness of Jesus applied to you by the Holy Spirit? Did you just all of a sudden feel a jolt of lightning? a warm fuzzy feeling? Did an extra-terrestrial being come to you? What happened if you did not believe the gospel message by faith?

 

There's a difference in saying, "I know I'm going to heaven, or I have assurance of going to heaven because of x or y," and saying, "I'm going to heaven because I..." In one instance, we are talking about assurance of salvation, in the other actual salvation. I have no problem, and in fact indorse, the idea of gaining assurance through belief in Jesus Christ, in fact that's what the scriptures teach. My problem is with the idea of saying that salvation itself is based on belief. If that is so, then you are your own savior. If you are going to heaven because of something you did, a decision you made, an action you took, then it is not of God but of you.

 

You said:

"Solely on the merits of the righteousness of Jesus Christ applied by the Holy Spirit according to unconditional election"

Was not this an action based on belief. Was it an action that you took. If not who took the action? When, where, and how were you saved, that you can make such a dogmatic statement as the above?

 

God sent us a Savior not a Probation officer! :godisgood:

 

This reveals the dark side of the Orthodox churches - they do not have assurance of salvation.

Yes, you do receive a "get out of jail free card" when you believe on Jesus Christ. It is not dependent on keeping his commandments! If it is, then it is by works and not grace.

 

HP: Indeed, that he must be busy and besides, someone has to work to pay the taxes. :smilewinkgrin:

 

I am with BR on post #45, He said it rather nicely.:thumbsup:

 

And what did he say?
He never answered the question! Is this characteristic of both of you?

Did you read the title of the thread?

What does ETERNAL mean?

Is it so hard to give a simple answer?

 

HP: Yes, and it also clearly indicates one can believe in vain. 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Why the admonition to keep in memory what Paul has preached, without which ones belief might end up vain? Will believing in vain save anyone?