What Happend to Faith and Trust in the Bible?

All I can add is that no English translation meets the "one true form" of God's preserved word since our bible is a translation.

None of the following bibles would qualify(just an example):

KJV: currently in use today- 1611, 1762, 1769,1873,NKJV, KJ21, and TMB.
NASB: currently in use- 1977 and 1995
Geneva Bible: 1560, 1599
etc...

What is amazing is that all of the above translations have God's Holy Word complete and every teaching and doctrine is in each faithful translation. So, yes we do have the preserved Word of God!

Also God preserved His Word so that it will speak to every generation. That is the joy of having the living Word in that it will never die to one version in one time frame.

Just my thoughts....

 

mjwegs42 asked:

1. God has promised he would preserve his word. Why do we/you limit him?

No one is claiming god has not preserved his word.

2. Why can we not accept one true form of Gods preserved word?

Why should we accept "one true form" of God's preserved word? I believe in a God who is powerful to preserve his words even through a few human errors in translation.

Who's limiting God here?

3. Why, if you have Faith in God (which means in everything) do you use multiple versions of Gods word. Would this not mean you are Faithless in his preservation?

No, I have more faith in God's preservation of his word than any KJV-onlyists, because I believe God has preserved it in a lot more places than they are willing to give him credit.

 

In that case I can answer the title question simply.

Nothing

 

Psalm 12:5. "Because of the devastation of the afflicted, because of the groaning of the needy, Now I will arise," says the LORD; "I will set him in the safety for which he longs."
6. The words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.
7. You, O LORD, will keep them; You will preserve him from this generation forever.
8. The wicked strut about on every side When vileness is exalted among the sons of men.

David wrote this, a Psalm of worship in which he says that God will preserve His people, and that they can depend upon that because the “words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.”

David also wrote Psalm 91,

7. A thousand may fall at your side And ten thousand at your right hand, But it shall not approach you.

These are NOT prophesies, they are expressions of worship. I do not limit God in His ability to receive worship.

We do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. And even if we did, only a tiny portion of the world’s population is fluent in all three of these languages. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek are all very different from English and it is IMPOSSIBLE to translate these languages into English without both loosing information and adding information. And because the translating of languages is a subjective rather than exclusively an objective discipline, it is not reasonable to expect everyone to agree on any particular translation of any particular portion of the Bible.

I use many different translations of the Bible to assist me in understanding the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts of Scripture. This has absolutely nothing to do with Psalm 12. The fact is that the writings which make up our Bible have not been perfectly preserved in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, and they are VERY MUCH LESS PRESERVED IN ANY ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE.

Had God promised to perfectly preserve the writings which make up our Bible, He would have kept his promise. But He made NO SUCH PROMISE, and to claim that he did make such a promise, when such a promise has not been kept, would make God the liar of all liars, and that is A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE MISSION OF THE KJO SECT. Some of them may be naïve and not realize the nature of the mission upon which the powers of darkness have sent them, but nonetheless that is the mission upon which they have embarked.

I find it most regrettable that there are those “Christians” who choose to believe the lies of sinful men rather than the true words of our holy God. But once they have made that fatal choice, as much as we may try, we find it to be nearly impossible to rescue them.

Note: All Scriptures are from the NASB, 1995, the most accurate translation of the Bible that I have available to me.

 

I believe that God inspired his word, and I can study it today.

 

I trust the Bible reveals the One true God in which I place my faith. Of the two, the Bible and God, it is only God which is absolutely needful for me to have the original!

 

It seems like all of us believe that God has preserved His Word, however, some have it pickled in the KJV:kjb1769

 

Some serious answers.

"1. God has promised he would preserve his word. Why do we/you limit him?"
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I believe God's promise.

"2. Why can we not accept one true form of Gods preserved word?"
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Don't worry I do accept one true form of Gods preserved word.

"3. Why, if you have Faith in God (which means in everything) do you use multiple versions of Gods word. Would this not mean you are Faithless in his preservation?"
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Because I read the Bible in translation instead of using an original language version.

 

I have faith in God, and using different versions does not affect my faith because they all have the same message. If I did not have the same faith now I had to trust Christ, I would not be here; I would still be practicing astrology and Buddhist meditation.

I think this may be my 1,000th post, or close!

 

You tagged it right the first time, Roger.

Although the questions could be thought provoking, they are worded so as to call the faith of anyone not holding to 'One-Version-Onlyism' into doubt.

Same ole, same ole...just a different screen name.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Actually, you did. You asked, "why can we not accept one true form of Gods preserved word[?]". If you were not referring to a single translation (regardless of which translation that might be), then what were you referring to? It's entirely possible I'm reading your remark incorrectly.

 

Thanks for the clarification. In my answer, I had previously stated that there is no scriptural requirement for needing as a whole to accept only one sole translation for everyone. It's not a matter of "why can we not", and more a matter of "are we required to". Scripturally, we are not required to. Hence, I don't. The only thing I am dopctrinal on is that there is one true scriptural message. That scriptural truth is perfect, ans is typically so regardless of the translation in which it is found.

 

Amen, Sister GrannyGumbo -- Preach it! Sister Michelle does indeed
refresh my bowels.

Iƒaiah LIX.21 (KJV1611):

As for me, this is my couenant
with them, saith the LORD: My spirit
that is vpon thee, and my words
which I haue put in thy mouth, shall
not depart out of thy mouth, nor out
of the mouth of the seede, nor out of
the mouth of thy seedes seed, saith the
LORD, from henceforth, and for euer.

Isaiah 59:21 (The Message)
"As for me," God says, "this is my covenant with them: My Spirit that I've placed upon you and the words that I've given you to speak, they're not going to leave your mouths nor the mouths of your children nor the mouths of your grandchildren. You will keep repeating these words and won't ever stop." God's orders.

Notice how the KJV speaks of "the seede"
which is of course, our Lord and Savior
Messiah Jesus. By contrast the Modern Version
speaks of "your children". What a watering
down of the message; what a major change
of doctrine, that the words of our children
are what save us and not the words of
our wonderful Savior: Messiah Iesus.

Praise Iesus, Sonne of God

 

Ed was quoting from the AV 1611, the REAL KJV. His quote is accurate to the spelling in the AV.

Buying a replica AV 1611 is the best-spent $30 or so that a serious English-using Bible student can make!

(Or, if ya have a $ million or two laying around, you can buy a pristine genuine copy online at any of several antique books auctions!)

 

I got it from the Real
King James Version AKA: KJV1611 edition.
Pray tell which Bible did you get your
words from?

BTW, my King James Versions is PERFECT,
errorless, inerrant and contains the
true written word of God. IF there is
ANY DIFFERENCE, however slight,
it means your Bible has been corrupted.
According to Chick Comics, this is due
to a Roman Catholic conspirasy to
be meddling with our Bible.

The KJV1611
edition i have is the original King James
Version (well as original as we
can get it, I think this is the 3rd
printing, the first two printings
apparently are not available anymore).
This is the version actually AUTHORIZED
by King James. The KJV1769 edition most
KJVOs use could not have been authorized
by King James as he was dead long
before 1769.

Praise Iesus!

 

Sorry Ed, they say the same thing, same word.

Today we spell it seed. Then they spelled it seede. Please give reason why verses are omitted from the mv's?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle