Featured What happened to the resurrected FLESHLY Body of Christ?

So you are attempting to make "first" and "last" refer exclusively to Adam in the garden and descriptive of his former and latter condition in regard to the fall into sin. Before he sinned he was a "living" soul but after he sinned and was redeemed he became a "living spirit."

That simply will not fly for a number of contextual reasons:

1. Only the first part of verse 45 is being quoted from Genesis 2:7. The latter part is not written anywhere in scripture concerning Eden's Adam. However, it will fittly describe Christ as Adam could only reproduce a fallen material offspring whereas the offspring of Christ are spiritual.

2. The previous verses are not contrasting Adam's previous condition before the fall with his condition after the fall but is contrasting the pre-ressurrection body with the post-resurrection body. - vv. 40-43

3. The context immediately following verse 47 continues to contrast the pre-resurrection body with the post resurrection body and it is Christ resurrection body that is the contrast rather than anything about Adam being the contrast (thus it is Christ all along that is being contrasted with Adam in verses 44-47).

4. The "first" and "second" designations in verse 47 have no other contextual reference points than "first" and "last" and "first" and "afterwards" in verses 44-46.

5. Verses 44-46 are by design intended to explain the differences between the pre- versus the post resurrection condition of the human body rather than the pre- versus the post spiritual state of Eden's Adam.

So your interpretation does not fit the context at all!

The true interpretation is as follows:

The sin condition of the pre-resurrection body is a result of the representation of mankind by Adam in Eden. The post-resurrection condition of the body is the result of the representation of Christ while on earth as the redeemer from sin.

This interpretation is confirmed by Paul's Conclusion to this argument:

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Thus verse 50 and the phrase "flesh and blood" decribes the CONDITION of man due to the fall of Adam or the "natural man".

 

Being a little deceptive are you not? Don't you also beleive that YHVH is Christ and was created by the Father as the visible God before the creation of the world??? Isn't that your point with Isa. 43:10 and the term "formed"?????

 

The concern is that Seve is teaching that only Christ is referred to as YHVH (Tetragrammaton translated "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or upper case "LORD") and YHVH was "formed" (Isa. 43:10) by the Father before creation as the visible God of some people and he was formed as a human in as glorified body. This body is actually the resurrection body of Christ not the body that was placed in the grave. According to Seve it is this "glorified human body" that existed as YHVH in the Old Testament and there is no such thing as anthropormorphic language but it is LITERAL langauge.

 

If the body that was placed in the grave is not his glorified body then he did not have victory over death and sin in his body and you have no hope of resurrection either and you are still in your sins. A pre-incarnation body was never subject to death and thus there is no hope for a resurrection for anyone as the resurrection pertains to our body not our soul.

 

There is no "if" about this. His exposition on Isaiah 43:10 and in particular the term "formed" makes this abundantly clear.

Here is his post:

In the Book of Isaiah 43, Our Lord YHVH, made the following declaration......

Isaiah 43:10~11 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHVH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. v11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Note: To be witnessed is to be physically seen or experienced.


In fact, the usage of the two negative words above (no & neither) actually resulted to a positive statement... He is the only God physically formed.... to be seen and witnessed.
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In post #87 in the thread entitled "Whose Son is YHVH - the Christ"

In fact below are few more Scriptures to prove that the Son -- who already physically existed in the OT -- ONLY became the God of the whole earth, after his resurrection.... thou Lord in the beginning.... even though, the Son, was only serving as God to the Jews in the beginning and not to the gentiles.


From the same thread but post #11

My Conclusion: YHVH is not the Father but the Christ himself, the Son of God - the only God formed for us to see and witness... the great I AM of old.

 

Seve denies the resurrection of Christ and our resurrection becuase the term "resurrection" and "raised" have to do only with the body that went down into the ground.

Sever denies the atonement of Christ. If you deny the body that died is the body that is raised and glorified then you deny the atonement because there is no atonment where death is still the victor as Paul argues in 1 Cor. 15:13-19.

Seve denies the Biblical doctrine of God. He has the Father creating JHVH and thus denies that JHVH was from everlasting to everlasting. He denies the Godhead consists of Three Persons who share one divine substance that makes God to be God and who are co-eternal, co-equal (in regard to divinity) and immutable because he believes the Father created "formed" YHVH who had no previous existence to that formation by the Father.

 

Let's not derail this thread. This thread is dealing specifically with the resurrection of his physical body in contrast to some idea that he assumed another body.

Where the soul of Christ went between death and resurrection is an entirely different subject. If you want to open a thread dealing with that, then be my guest.

In any resurrection, the human spirit/soul must be reunited with the body, but the emphasis of this context is that his body came out of the grave.

 

Those who believe that the physical fleshly body of Christ is not the glorified body that was seen by the apostles rise into the heavens must explain where is that human body and what happened to it?

 

Yes. Here is the point many on this forum have not realized. The death of Christ was due to our sins. If that body remains under the power of death there is no atonement for anyone - period - and therefore there is NO HOPE of salvation from sin and death for anyone and we are false witnesses and still in our sins. This is precisely the line of argument by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:13-19

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

The denial of the resurrection of the PHYSICAL FLESHLY body of Jesus Christ is a complete denial of the atonement, of salvation, of the validity of who Christ claims to be and thus is a repudiation of the whole Bible and especially the gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is the resurrection that justifies Christ as having conquered sin and death. It is the resurrection power that is the basis of our own power to live the Christian life as the Christian life is a struggle in overcoming consequences and effects of death in its process before it culminates in physical death. Without the resurrection of the physical fleshly body of Jesus Christ the Christian religion is a myth.

Thus those who attack and deny it are the worst of all heretics.