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The problem with your interpretation is that you interpet Isaiah 43:10 to really deny the true God of the Bible. Hence, the spirit behind you cannot possibly be the Holy Spirit. It is pure fantasy that JHVH was "formed" or that JHVH refers only to Christ. Both of these interpretations deny the true God of the Bible.

The doctrine of the "Trinity" is three numerically Persons who collectively share one divine essence/attributes that make God to be God and therefore a unity of nature.

Romans 1:20 says the Godhead can be seen in Creation. Your interpretation of God cannot be seen in creation.

There is ONE universe made up of space, matter, and time and yet if you remove one of these elements our universe does not exist.

Time is past, present and future but remove any one of these elements and time ceases to exist.

Space is length, breadth, depth but remove any one of these elements and space ceases to exist.

Matter is energy, motion and phenomena but remove any one of these elements and matter ceases to exist.

Likewise, with the unity of the "Godhead." However, that is not true with your view.

 

This is a debate forum. In order to have a rational debate there are some elementary essentials that must be practiced.

1. Assert and make a case for your position.

2. Don't merely respost your assertions in response to objections

3. Respond to objections by demonstrating why they are wrong.

You have done the first. However, thus far you are stuck in #2 above.

I have dealt with your proof texts in detail and your own response thus far is simply reposting your first assertions. I have place contextual evidence before you and the readers and yet you totally ignore and simply play the part of a parrot - repeat your assertions.

More repeated assertions! However, I have provided several posts dealing with every text you have used and shown that you have mishandled the text and provided specific contextual reasons why you have mishandled those texts. YET YOU HAVE YET TO RESPOND to any of these objections.

We all know you are good at repeating posts. We all know you are very good at making personal attacks. You have not responded to any of the posts that I provide explicit contextual based reasons why your interpretations are simply wrong. If you don't think my responses are "legitmate" you have provided no readers on this forum ANY REASONS or RESPONSES to demonstrate that charge! So it is merely another assertion without substance.

First, I was speaking of our CURRENT UNIVERSE. When I use the term "universe" I used it in its current scientific application that includes ALL OF CREATION not merely planet earth or our solar system or the milkyway galaxy???

Second, are you suggesting that what God created in Genesis 1 no longer exists?

Third, are you suggesting that Noah's flood was not merely restricted to our own immediate atmosphere and solar system but there was another complete creation of another universe?

Fourth, the future new creation has not yet arrived and so obviously I could not be speaking of something not even in existence!

When I use the term "universe" I am referring to ALL CREATION or everything God created and not merely our localized planet and its atmosphere. Our current universe includes not merely our soloar system, not merely to the milky way galaxy, not merely the countless galaxies we are beginning to observe but all of the above.

How are you defining your use of "worlds" in connection with "universes"?

How are you defining "heavens"? Are you making that equal to "universe" and/or "worlds"?

Are you saying our solar system, the milky way galaxy and other countless galaxies within the universe was destroyed by a flood that was localized to the atmosphere and planet of earth???

When I use the term "universe" I used it in its current scientific application that includes ALL OF CREATION not merely planet earth or our solar system or the milkyway galaxy???

Are you saying you reject the current scientific discoveries concerning the existence of our solar system, milky way galaxy and countless of other gaxalies outside our own. These have been confirmed by Hubble's telescope in space, as well, as many landbase types of radioscopes/telescopes, etc.???

Are you serious? Do you really think I was speaking about this yet future creation??? I suggest you go back and reread what I said. I spoke of the present universe that is and can be scientifically observed.

Let's see how you respond to my questions before we draw this kind of conclusion. Will you respond? This is not a forum to merely assert your ideas or a place to proselyte but is designed for intelligent exchange of ideas and debate.

 

Romans 1:20 was written by Paul to the saints at Rome who lived after the flood and before the new creation. Hence, the creation that his readers could observe that revealed the "Godhead" is the very same creation we are observing today. This is the universe that reveals the "Godhead."

This is a trinune universe/creation. Our observable universe is a Triune universe. It is ONE creation/universe composed of three elements (time, space, matter).

Even if you disagree with some details in the previous paragrah, what cannot be denied is that each of these three elements are present in this creation/universe and they are trinune in nature.

Time is past, present and future. If you totally removed any one aspect of time then all time would cease to exist. For example, lets say your remove all that is past, then there is nothing present and nothing future as past time is inseparable from the existence of all that is in this creation. If you removed the present there could be no past or future as they become meaningless terms empty of any substance.

Space is width, length and depth. If you removed one of these apsects you remove all space. For example, take a piece of chald and draw a line on a chalk board. Now, that chalk line has depth (thin) length and breadth. You cannot remove one without removing all three. Try it and see.

Matter is energy, motion and phenomena. If you removed one of these elements you remove all matter.

They are three in distinction but they are ONE indivisibly in regard to essence. The true God of the Bible is revealed in the basic elements of His creation just as Paul says in Romans 1:20.

However, the definition of God by Seve is not reflected in this present creation. Nor does the word "one" whether the Hebrew or the Greek term it translates demands that it must mean "one" collectively.

Seve attempts to take the term "one" as used in John 17 and John 10 in order to make his case. I have responded to his attempt and showed how it is mixing apples with oranges. In John 17 the context is talking about God and His nature. However, in John 17 the context is SANCTIFICATION by the Word of God. We are to be one in "unity" in regard to sanctification or set apart to the same values and teachings found in God's Word. However, in John 10 we are not brought into the conversation in regard to the onenes between the Son and Father but the very reverse. Jesus separates Himself from all others in regard to identity with God. He is "one" with God not possible with creatures.

Moroever, we have provided contextual evidence that Isaiah 43:10 neither speaks of YHVH being conformed nor that what they witnessed was YHVH being formed but they are witnesses of YHVH profession that He alone is God and no other God exists (Isa. 43:12; 44:8). We have also proven that the name YHVH is the name ascribed both the Father and the Son (Isa. 44:6; Psa. 110:3).

 

This is certainly the understanding of the jews prior to the coming of Christ as they did not believe in three God's as one collectively.

Mr 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Note the singular pronoun "he" instead of "them". This clearly shows the Jews did not believe in any collective plurality of gods. Also note, that Jesus did not correct this interepretation.


Neither is this the understanding of New Testament writers and their use of "one" God. Take note in the following texts that "one God" refers to the Father IN DISTINCTION from the "one" Lord who is Christ.


1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

In none of the above texts can "one" be understood as a collective oneness of many gods.

There is but One God the Father. That is a distinction within the "one God" just as "one Lord" is a distinction within the "one God."

 

What happened to the DEAD body placed into the grave?

What happened to the body of "FLESH" that Jesus presented to his Apostles for 40 days and which they saw rise into heaven?

Lk. 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH and bones, as ye see me have.

ACts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 

Seve,


What happedend to the body that DIED and was placed in the grave?

Jesus repudiate you and Moriah's claim that his resurrected body was not "FLESH"


Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Seve, what happened to the "FLESH" body placed in the grave?

Seve, what happed to this "FLESH" body that came out of the grave?

 

Nobody claimed the resurrected body was in the same condition as it was when it was placed in the grave but it was the same body placed in the grave. It was the "DEAD" body that was raised from the grave but ALIVE and without corruption and without its former "weakness" but with "power" (1 Co5. 15:42-44).

Never said it was a spirit! Jesus denied his body was a "spirit" but asserted it was "FLESH" - Lk. 24:39.

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

He appeared in VARIOIUS forms (man, angel, glorious being, "like the son of god"; etc.) These are called Theophanies.

This is a LIE! He is called "THE LORD from heaven" but NEVER called "The second man from heaven."

Anyone with two grains of common sense can read what you say and know immediatley you don't know what you are talking about but are speaking foolishly and ignorantly.