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instead of saying your a liar and an heretic like you have thrown upon me-

I will ask that the Lord does enlighten BOTH ME and YOU and shine his light upon us to know more truth and be set free!!!

 

In reading through this forum while waiting to be approved, I see that those charges are frequently made here. How can people get by with that? Isn't it against forum rules?

 

its no big thing some people have short fuses

 

And lack of fruit, apparently.

 

can heaven be heaven if you carry the memory of your loved ones that went to hell into heaven you would be sad and weep all the time would you not ?

 

scripture evidence that you will not remember in heaven ?

 

where is the Scripture that says doctrine, its knowledge or its ignorance, its truth, untruth, or error, is the basis for God's mercy and grace for His people ?

I am not underestimating doctrine.
True and correct doctrine shows the forgiven sinner a glimpse, the backside of the Lord shown to Moses, if you will, of the vastness and depth of God's love and sovereignty and motivates him (the sinner) to worship God and to love Him back.
It is what separates a NT church from cults.
But doctrine is taught, and it is obvious from the answers here, sometimes referring to it as "indoctrination".
Where is the scripture that the humanly innumerable throng in Revelation 7 were redeemed or were in heaven because of correct doctrine ?
They were there because the Savior redeemed them by His blood, not because they were taught true and correct doctrine.

 

righteousdude2, when does a person become saved? When they walk the isle? When they decide to walk the isle? When they realize they should walk the isle? Why do we have to walk the isle? That thief on the cross certainly didn't walk the isle!

I to have often wondered about "good people" who devoted their lives to attending church. I'm sure many ended up not where they intended but then you have so many devoted individuals..., who's to say they never found favor with Jesus.

If they found Jesus contrary to the Baptist Way/understanding of coming to the Lord they would still be saved, no?

For sure though, not all roads lead to Rome. The Muslims are very dedicated but...

 

Just curious ... can a person be born again and not be well meaning?

 

Just curious ... can a person be born again and not be well meaning?

Saved accidentally but not well meaning? I would have my doubts as if they aren't "well meaning" it would be just a show.

I was speaking once with a man who believes you can lose your salvation day in and day out and in the process he told me that he didn't believe in Death Bed Salvation. Why not, I asked? His response was that such was never recorded in the Bible.

...wow!

To me, the act of dying seals ones fate. Until they are dead who's to limit the Lord? :godisgood:

 

Walking an isle has nothing to do with salvation, If a person comes under conviction of the Holy Spirit durring a sermon, and while hearing about Jesus discover they believe, and right before they get up to walk the isle, a suicide bomber blows up the church...they are saved...not because they are "good church person." but because they trusted in Christ.

As to "good people" who devote their lives to a false belief system...2 Tim. 4 seems to say that it is not the false teachers who are leading all these "innocent" people astray...but rather the multitudes who will not stand for truth who "ACCUMULATE TEACHERS FOR THEMSELVES". It is not entirely biblical to wring our hands about all the people Benny Hinn leads astray...because without followers who wanted what he was selling, he would not exist as a leader.

 

Apparently, he forgot about the theif who was crucified alongside Christ.

 

Walking an isle has nothing to do with salvation,
...that's a "given". They are "forgiven and saved" the minute they realize their lost condition. Walking the isle is..., is..., show?

 

Apparently, he forgot about the theif who was crucified alongside Christ.

...yep. As the old saying goes, "None are so blind as those who refuse to see."

I attended one of those churches for a few years. Not because I believed in their "way" but because it was close by and we had our grand kids in their Sunday School.

The Pastor was a great preacher in that he preached against sin constantly but always ended up begging the membership to "rededicate their lives" for Christ.

 

The Lord knows them that are His. Not one has been lost save Judas Iscariot.

They can be identified by their fruit: chiefly love for one another------------------------------and their enemies.

"Father forgive them; they know not what they do."

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

A general question to anyone re salvation as a fire escape:

Is the person who is genuinely convicted of sin, repents, believes, and accepts but is motivated by a fear of Hell well meaning and truly saved at that point?

If not, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God May not be as effective as thought.

 

I am of the opinion that Salvation is not that hard to attain.

John 6:37, “All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me: and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out”.

 

Hell is real. Hell is hot. Fleeing the pit is not a primary motivation for repentance. The Holy Spirit does convict of sin, righteousness and judgement to come.

The world has not a clue: Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. For one to believe that, one must be moved by The Spirit, The Holy--not the warm and fuzzy.

We live in a world of easy believe--repeat after me--now your are saved evangelism. Consequently, there are those unregenerated in high places. Re: Nicodemus, John 3:5 in context.

No one comes to the Father unless The Spirit draws.

Some call this Irresistible Grace--not hell fire and brimstone.

Check out the conversion of Saul, Book of Acts. See also what Paul did after conversion.

The world will not be won to Christ. The Lord knows them that are His. Not one has been lost save Judas Iscariot.

Preach the Word.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James